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|  27th June 2025, 07:21 PM | #1 | 
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			Congratulations Marc on your new acquisition!  А great specimen! | 
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|  27th June 2025, 10:46 PM | #2 | 
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			Marc, look at this interesting story:
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|  28th June 2025, 11:26 AM | #3 | 
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			Thanks Yuri, this booklet by Gosseau is full of valuable information about these knives and relatives. Regards Marc Last edited by Ian; 28th June 2025 at 02:02 PM. Reason: Links removed to items currently for sale. | 
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|  28th June 2025, 07:41 PM | #4 | 
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			A very nice ngulu Marc! Attached a picture from one I had once. Regards, Detlef | 
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|  28th June 2025, 10:31 PM | #5 | 
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			Marc, thank you for sharing this outstanding example!  The weapons of Africa are fascinating in their often bizarre shapes, and are rich in the kinds of subjects I enjoy studying, symbolism, traditional beliefs, superstitions, magic, etc. and the anthropological complexities of the peoples of this continent. While the NGULU form does have a rather grim background as far as its purpose, it does seem much of this has transcended into a more ceremonial character as would seem to be the case with this very fine example. It seems that the practices these type swords, which appear to have some degree of variations in the shapes and blade systems, for which they were presumably intended ceased during the Belgian occupation (1885-1908) and thereafter. The more likely purpose of these moved toward symbols of authority and station for tribal chiefs and their retinue. The highly decorated character of this example would seem to be in accord with that idea. I am wondering about the interesting patterns of lines and linear dashes etc. and if perhaps these might align with certain scarification patterns. In one reference it is noted that scarification was not particularly notably a practice among the Ngombe and associated tribes, but perhaps it was present among chiefdom. It seems that these lines are fairly consistent following the blade shapes and contours on various examples shown however, so beyond the obvious aesthetic perception, could there be some sort of magical or other symbolism applied collectively? | 
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|  29th June 2025, 09:56 AM | #6 | |
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 I find nothing in the books I have about the possible significance of the engravings on the ngulu.The reference to scarafictions could be a factor but usually lines, grooves and ridges are a way of reinforcing the often thin blade, making it stiffer to be functional. An important aspect, often forgotten, is the importance of magic, sorcery in African society. As a weapon probably bigger and more dangerous than a mountain of the best weapons. As you correctly point out the decorations on the ngululemmet are pretty much consistent with only a few differences in the details Maybe we overanalyze this fact too much and those decorations are tradition and just beautiful without further meaning. Regards Marc | |
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|  29th June 2025, 12:35 PM | #7 | 
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			What is the thickness of the sword in the OP Marc?  My example below does not have the reinforcements near the grip and it goes from a 3mm spine near the grip to 2mm near the tip, which seems too thin for a sword meant for use. I assume it is a ceremonial example (according to the seller it was originally a gift to a German diplomat). | 
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|  29th June 2025, 09:50 PM | #8 | |
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 Unfortunately, I don't have the booklet by Gosseau. Is there a mention in it that these blades served as valuables used for exchange (currency)? Judging by the fact that these blades are quite common, it is quite possible that this is true. In the topic: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=30497 we discussed brass nails for upholstery. The item can be dated to the end of the 19th - beginning of the 20th century. Respectfully, Yuri | |
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