Iron hilt of talwar and piso pedang

[Mercenary]

Colleagues, there is a problem of how to distinguish Indian iron talwar hilts with bowl-shaped pommels from similar hilts of piso pedang. Besides the size of the bowled-pommel itself there must be differences in manufacturing technology. Unfortunately, I do not have either of such items at hand.
What do you think, can the form of place where the pommel is attached to the grip serve as such a mark: an ellipse in the case of an Indian handle and a circle in the case of an Indonesian one?

[Tim Simmons]

I had one but with a Napoleonic blade.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=long+piso

[Mercenary]

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

I had one but with a Napoleonic blade.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=long+piso

Tim, thanks a lot! I suppose this place has ellipse form like all (?) Indonesian bowl-shaped hilt.

[werecow]

This seems like a gray area. I (seem/hope) to have won this silver hilted piso podang this week:





Were it not for the laminated Sumatran blade (which is what drew me in), the scabbard style, and the provenance I might have guessed Indian. But given those factors, clearly a piso podang.

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by werecow

This seems like a gray area. I (seem/hope) to have won this silver hilted piso podang this week:

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Were it not for the laminated Sumatran blade (which is what drew me in), the scabbard style, and the provenance I might have guessed Indian. But given those factors, clearly a piso podang.

A one of a kind as far as I know.
Congrats! I've seen it in the auction.
I guess it is Sumatran, but I don't know to nail down the exact area. I guess somewhere Central Sumatran?
It doesn't look Batak to me....

What was the provenance by the way?

[werecow]

I haven't been able to confirm it (yet?) but the auctioneer's description says:

according to owner, from the heritage of "Willem Steinbuch 1888-1965, Resident of Jambi and Palembang 1932-1936"

(Several lots at this auction have that same description.)

It looks like that is this guy.