Two Interesting Dha

Andrew · 18th July 2006, 04:50 AM

Hi Charles, good to see you posting.

The first one is unusual and beautiful. The polish really accentuates its quality.

I'd say the second one is Thai, late Ayutthaya/early Ratanakosin style. Also very beautiful and in fine condition.

At the risk of sounding coy, I'm really interested to hear what others have to say about both of these, so I'll stop right there.

You, my friend, have some of my favorite dha in your collection.

RhysMichael · 18th July 2006, 02:28 PM

Charles
Great dha and I too await the answers on them. To me the profile on the top one though far more seems to have some similarities to this basic shape

The blade on it does look supurb. Can you see what on japanese swords would be called a hada or ji-hada ?

Thanks for posting them
And if hte top one ever is on the market .....~grin~

Flavio · 18th July 2006, 03:22 PM

W

W!!!! BEAUTIFUL!!!!!

DhaDha · 18th July 2006, 05:13 PM

Congratulations. Beautiful.

Here's one that seems related. I was told Burmese. Although yours has nicer detail on the hilt. This one, I believe, is also sporting an inserted hardened edge.

Shawn

CharlesS · 18th July 2006, 08:56 PM

Thanks guys.

Yes Shawn, these are definitely akin to each other, even down to the hilt fit. You might want to do a light etch, just to see what you have there.

Mark · 19th July 2006, 03:25 AM

I immediately thought of your iron-handled dha, JT. I think I have seen one other that has that same tapering handle. I'm thinking the first one of Charles' is from Burma, especially since John's has a concave tip. I was just looking that the pictures on John's web-site, and am I right that it has some nice activity in the blade?

The fullering on your (Charles's) is pretty distinctive, I think. Two small fullers and one larger one. I have seen this on a few other dha, and now I want to go back and compare them all to see if there are other similarities.

I'm a bit undecided about the second one. I see where Andrew is coming from in attributing it to the Rattanakosin era. I have one that I am reasonably sure is Rattanakosin era Thai, which has a lot of similarities to it (blade shape, obviously, handle/blade proportion, the facetted ferrule).

Another Rattanakosin daab I have is similar in the design on the facetted ferrule:

But there are differences from both of these, namely the larger lotus pommel and braided rattan grip on Charles'. Those look more Northern Tai or Shan.

But, I also have seen very similar pommel designs on Burman dha:

But here is another one which I am fairly sure is Thai:

I lean away from a Kachin origin for the second one mainly because the handle is too long. Some Kachin groups apparently do use a Shan style handle (with the lotus pommel and facetted ferrule) on a short, square-tipped blade like this, but the handles in photographs I've seen are shorter relative to the blade than this one seems to be.

Here is the final plot twist (this one I am very sure is Shan or Northern Tai):

We used to think this was Kachin, but I have now seen several old photos of Shan warriors with dha-lwe and dha-hmyaung with this identical scabbard design, which has convinced me that it is a Shan style (plus the maker's mark on the blade is apparently a Tai mark).

So, I'm going with Shan, but from over the border in Northern Thailand. It sort of accounts for all the various elements - sort of Burman, sort of Kachin, sort of Thai/Rattanakosin. Of course, in a couple months something or someone will come along and show I am completely wrong.

CharlesS · 19th July 2006, 03:46 AM

Thanks Mark. I am curious how you and Andrew are able to associate the second one with on particular era. Please elaborate, and thanks again!

Andrew · 19th July 2006, 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Bowditch

I immediately thought of your iron-handled dha, JT. I think I have seen one other that has that same tapering handle. I'm thinking the first one of Charles' is from Burma, especially since John's has a concave tip. I was just looking that the pictures on John's web-site, and am I right that it has some nice activity in the blade?

That sword of John's is pattern-welded, Mark. I covet it.

18th July 2006, 05:13 PM	#4
DhaDha Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 178	Congratulations. Beautiful. Here's one that seems related. I was told Burmese. Although yours has nicer detail on the hilt. This one, I believe, is also sporting an inserted hardened edge. Shawn Attached Images

18th July 2006, 04:50 AM	#1
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	Hi Charles, good to see you posting. The first one is unusual and beautiful. The polish really accentuates its quality. I'd say the second one is Thai, late Ayutthaya/early Ratanakosin style. Also very beautiful and in fine condition. At the risk of sounding coy, I'm really interested to hear what others have to say about both of these, so I'll stop right there. You, my friend, have some of my favorite dha in your collection.

18th July 2006, 02:28 PM	#2
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	Charles Great dha and I too await the answers on them. To me the profile on the top one though far more seems to have some similarities to this basic shape The blade on it does look supurb. Can you see what on japanese swords would be called a hada or ji-hada ? Thanks for posting them And if hte top one ever is on the market .....~grin~

18th July 2006, 03:22 PM	#3
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	W W!!!! BEAUTIFUL!!!!!

18th July 2006, 08:56 PM	#5
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Thanks guys. Yes Shawn, these are definitely akin to each other, even down to the hilt fit. You might want to do a light etch, just to see what you have there.

19th July 2006, 03:25 AM	#6
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	I immediately thought of your iron-handled dha, JT. I think I have seen one other that has that same tapering handle. I'm thinking the first one of Charles' is from Burma, especially since John's has a concave tip. I was just looking that the pictures on John's web-site, and am I right that it has some nice activity in the blade? The fullering on your (Charles's) is pretty distinctive, I think. Two small fullers and one larger one. I have seen this on a few other dha, and now I want to go back and compare them all to see if there are other similarities. I'm a bit undecided about the second one. I see where Andrew is coming from in attributing it to the Rattanakosin era. I have one that I am reasonably sure is Rattanakosin era Thai, which has a lot of similarities to it (blade shape, obviously, handle/blade proportion, the facetted ferrule). Another Rattanakosin daab I have is similar in the design on the facetted ferrule: But there are differences from both of these, namely the larger lotus pommel and braided rattan grip on Charles'. Those look more Northern Tai or Shan. But, I also have seen very similar pommel designs on Burman dha: But here is another one which I am fairly sure is Thai: I lean away from a Kachin origin for the second one mainly because the handle is too long. Some Kachin groups apparently do use a Shan style handle (with the lotus pommel and facetted ferrule) on a short, square-tipped blade like this, but the handles in photographs I've seen are shorter relative to the blade than this one seems to be. Here is the final plot twist (this one I am very sure is Shan or Northern Tai): We used to think this was Kachin, but I have now seen several old photos of Shan warriors with dha-lwe and dha-hmyaung with this identical scabbard design, which has convinced me that it is a Shan style (plus the maker's mark on the blade is apparently a Tai mark). So, I'm going with Shan, but from over the border in Northern Thailand. It sort of accounts for all the various elements - sort of Burman, sort of Kachin, sort of Thai/Rattanakosin. Of course, in a couple months something or someone will come along and show I am completely wrong.

19th July 2006, 03:46 AM	#7
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Thanks Mark. I am curious how you and Andrew are able to associate the second one with on particular era. Please elaborate, and thanks again!