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Thank you. That is some interesting reading. Unfortunately, they did not mention where the ax was found. But I have not yet received all the provenance papers and it is very possible that something is written there. Apparently the ax has been in Charles Buttin's possession and later purchased from Philippe Missillier (Lyon) in 2016 at Kassel Waffenbörse 2016. The eye seems to have received a serious blow so that it folded. However, most of the material seems to remain. It was the well-preserved details as well as the good provenance that made me buy the axe. |
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I would be pleased to have such provenance on more of my own collection, such as it is.
I wonder if the pristine areas reflect so-called glodeskall? Quote:
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Glodeskall = "Blacksmith's scale" I wonder?
I don't see "scale" on this head. Amazing how crisp the non corroded parts of this head are, it'd definitely be interesting to know how it was originally found, how some areas survived free of oxidation especially as it's damaged so one wouldn't expect great care to have been taken with it! It's not easy to tell from images but it looks a very uniform iron, no evidence of "grain" or impurities. Interesting! . |
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Yes, I'm really happy with the provenance.
Took two pictures that better show the surface of the blade. Dont think its glodeskall. I am also surprised by the condition. Maybe the axe lay in sandy soil/sand, maybe Peat? |
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Got the papers on the provenance today.
Unfortunately, it is not mentioned where the ax was found, which is sad. But I received a copy of receipt of sale by Philippe Misslier at the Kassel Waffenboerse 2016 where it is stated that the axe was part of Charles Buttin's collection. Unfortunately, it is a receipt for a lump sum purchase of x number of axes and other items where all have been included in Buttin's collection and some were published in Rumilly in 1933. My axe is thus not specifically mentioned but one of many. How do you think it affects the value of the provenance? |
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I’d take the auction house up on that, as there is no way to prove that your item is one of the axes mentioned. |
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I've re-read your post a couple of times to try and understand the paper trail, such as it is for this item. This is what I understand it to be; is it correct?
The vendor (via the auction house) claimed to have purchased this axe head at an arms fair in 2016 from the dealer Philippe Misslier as part of a lot that was proported to come from the Charles Buttin collection. To support the claim a receipt from Philippe has been provided. However this receipt does not specifically identify this axe head; only that x number were included in the sale. I see two issues with this 'paper trail'. 1. There is no evidence that this axe head was purchased from Philippe Misslier in 2016 and 2. There is no evidence that this axe head was part of the Charlees Buttin collection. All we have to go on is the unknown vendors' word... |
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