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			That is EXCELLENT elucidation Radboud! 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	Its great to have the proper updates on terms, I saw the donkey hoof thing in Egerton Castle (1885).  | 
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			A great input by Radboud. In fact, the widespread notion of what the pas d'ane would be, is wrong; still we can see it being used by countless authors. In the same source provided (now uploaded) we have a drawing of how this part is usually wrongly named. 
		
		
		
			But while this the pas d'ane gallicism was adopted all over, other parts of the guard were visibly not imported, such as the term "revers" (translating to "reverse") for knuckle bow, or knuckle guard. Remember the image shown above was taken from the Fort Ticonderoga, one of French origin. Could this be the reason for the rare appearance of the "revers" term ?. .  | 
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			Thanks to Radbound for answering Jim's question to me before I got to it. 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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