opinions on this keris

BluErf · 30th January 2005, 12:55 PM

Hey, isn't posting of pictures of kerises with chi and tuah bad for them? Be careful of posting too many such pictures, or the energy may flee the vessels and look for a quieter abodes in other new old keris where they can reside in peace and seclusion.

Montino Bourbon · 30th January 2005, 03:36 PM

Dear BluErf; I love your expression 'new old keris'!

And while I'm delighted at finding out about what I have, I'm also delighted at the fact that I feel a lot of energy from this keris, and others. I think that it is very subjective, but as I have said before I believe that the 'chi' of an object such as a keris depends on the interaction between it and the person it's 'related' to.

It's just like holding a picture of a person you love and holding the actual person!

Please excuse my highly un-orthodox views; I'm enjoying this forum immensely, and I want to thank again everybody who has contributed to what has turned out to be a very spirited discussion.

Sepang · 30th January 2005, 03:53 PM

Dear all, spesificaly to Montino,

I like that this thread give many kind opinions, so that I can learn more about keris.
I'm sorry if I have mistake that I wrote to any one in this thread.

BlueErf... I like your opinion, "......... be careful of posting too many such pictures, or the energy may flee the vessels and look for a quieter abodes in other new old keris where they can reside in peace and seclusion...."

Sorry, if I post many photos, but I was prison the Chi or tuah of my kerisses in my heart

Regards

DhenTal · 30th January 2005, 08:22 PM

Just give my opinion.
I think, in this thread, demonstrated many image of fake kriss, isn't it ?

Andrew · 30th January 2005, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DhenTal

Just give my opinion.
I think, in this thread, demonstrated many image of fake kriss, isn't it ?

Define "fake", please.

DhenTal · 30th January 2005, 09:48 PM

Fake : Is not real keris... it be came a modificated or re-build or re-curved etc..
I don't know, why the old keris was modificated, so that it be came a fake ?

Sang Keris · 31st January 2005, 01:40 AM

why ?? dhental ..

for money of course.. they try to change it to a higher class model.......and rare..

Alam Shah · 31st January 2005, 02:19 AM

Modification to the keris blade by altering its dapor is unethical. It does damage to the industry as well.
Instead, it is better to commission a new piece with this dapur and describe it as a new keris. Rather than alterating an existing blade and claiming it to be an original old keris. (imo only).

Ultimately, the one who will pay the price is the ill-informed collector.

Kiai Carita · 29th April 2005, 03:28 PM

The photos of the Putut keris were all very informative and only the baby Pututs under the tree are definitely new and cringe worthy as the tree is the Golkar Party's symbol. Golkar was Suharto's tool to keep his dictatorship appear democratic.

The most legendary Putut keris were made by Mpu Umyang / Mpu Kodok who first worked for the court of Pajang (1551-1582) and after that worked for the kingdom of Madiun (burnt down during the Java War 1825-1830). Mpu Umyang's keris are sought after for their beauty and for their esoteric powers believed to protect the property of the bearer of the keris. Because of that even during his life time there were probably alot of copiers for his work.

Written descriptions of the Umyang keris contradict themselves except on the day the Mpu died which was a Umanis Wednesday (Rabu Legi) and bearers of Umyang's blades traditionally 'feed' their keris with incense smoke on this night.

Salam keris

nechesh · 30th January 2005, 03:43 PM

Very wise words Kai Wee.

Sakhti, i am curious about how you manage to read chi from an internet photo. You must be powerful indeed. I have been doing energy work for years, but i always feel more comfortable actual holding a piece before proclaiming it's level of energy.

Sepang, you have shown us some interesting examples. The first one, which Sang Keris calls "green iron" is very interesting, but i wonder about it's condition. It certainly appears old. I have keris in my collection that are nearly 500 yrs. old that don't look like this. This one appears to have been excavated from the ground. I wonder why a keris of this powerful mystical type would have fallen into such bad care or been buried under ground. Do you know the history of where it was found.
You "baby tree" example appears to me to be an older blade that was altered with these carvings at a later date, but the examples you show in the middle may well be authentic. I am afraid i lack Sakhti's skills to be able to determine this from your photos.

30th January 2005, 08:22 PM	#4
DhenTal Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 20	Opinion Just give my opinion. I think, in this thread, demonstrated many image of fake kriss, isn't it ?

29th April 2005, 03:28 PM	#9
Kiai Carita Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 91	Putut Kembar The photos of the Putut keris were all very informative and only the baby Pututs under the tree are definitely new and cringe worthy as the tree is the Golkar Party's symbol. Golkar was Suharto's tool to keep his dictatorship appear democratic. The most legendary Putut keris were made by Mpu Umyang / Mpu Kodok who first worked for the court of Pajang (1551-1582) and after that worked for the kingdom of Madiun (burnt down during the Java War 1825-1830). Mpu Umyang's keris are sought after for their beauty and for their esoteric powers believed to protect the property of the bearer of the keris. Because of that even during his life time there were probably alot of copiers for his work. Written descriptions of the Umyang keris contradict themselves except on the day the Mpu died which was a Umanis Wednesday (Rabu Legi) and bearers of Umyang's blades traditionally 'feed' their keris with incense smoke on this night. Salam keris

30th January 2005, 12:55 PM	#1
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Hey, isn't posting of pictures of kerises with chi and tuah bad for them? Be careful of posting too many such pictures, or the energy may flee the vessels and look for a quieter abodes in other new old keris where they can reside in peace and seclusion.

30th January 2005, 03:36 PM	#2
Montino Bourbon Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Santa Barbara, California Posts: 301	Dear BluErf; I love your expression 'new old keris'! And while I'm delighted at finding out about what I have, I'm also delighted at the fact that I feel a lot of energy from this keris, and others. I think that it is very subjective, but as I have said before I believe that the 'chi' of an object such as a keris depends on the interaction between it and the person it's 'related' to. It's just like holding a picture of a person you love and holding the actual person! Please excuse my highly un-orthodox views; I'm enjoying this forum immensely, and I want to thank again everybody who has contributed to what has turned out to be a very spirited discussion.

30th January 2005, 03:53 PM	#3
Sepang Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 33	Dear all, spesificaly to Montino, I like that this thread give many kind opinions, so that I can learn more about keris. I'm sorry if I have mistake that I wrote to any one in this thread. BlueErf... I like your opinion, "......... be careful of posting too many such pictures, or the energy may flee the vessels and look for a quieter abodes in other new old keris where they can reside in peace and seclusion...." Sorry, if I post many photos, but I was prison the Chi or tuah of my kerisses in my heart Regards

30th January 2005, 09:48 PM	#6
DhenTal Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 20	Fake : Is not real keris... it be came a modificated or re-build or re-curved etc.. I don't know, why the old keris was modificated, so that it be came a fake ?

31st January 2005, 01:40 AM	#7
Sang Keris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Indonesia Posts: 46	why ?? dhental .. for money of course.. they try to change it to a higher class model.......and rare..

31st January 2005, 02:19 AM	#8
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Modification to the keris blade by altering its dapor is unethical. It does damage to the industry as well. Instead, it is better to commission a new piece with this dapur and describe it as a new keris. Rather than alterating an existing blade and claiming it to be an original old keris. (imo only). Ultimately, the one who will pay the price is the ill-informed collector.

30th January 2005, 03:43 PM	#10
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Very wise words Kai Wee. Sakhti, i am curious about how you manage to read chi from an internet photo. You must be powerful indeed. I have been doing energy work for years, but i always feel more comfortable actual holding a piece before proclaiming it's level of energy. Sepang, you have shown us some interesting examples. The first one, which Sang Keris calls "green iron" is very interesting, but i wonder about it's condition. It certainly appears old. I have keris in my collection that are nearly 500 yrs. old that don't look like this. This one appears to have been excavated from the ground. I wonder why a keris of this powerful mystical type would have fallen into such bad care or been buried under ground. Do you know the history of where it was found. You "baby tree" example appears to me to be an older blade that was altered with these carvings at a later date, but the examples you show in the middle may well be authentic. I am afraid i lack Sakhti's skills to be able to determine this from your photos.