Java Keris

[David]

While I certainly believe it is true the the number of luk have meaning I believe that meaning is very likely different not only based upon which keris bearing culture we are discussing, but also which era or kingdom the keris originated from. I am afraid I cannot at this time confirm what you have heard about 3 luk keris regarding Javanese keris. If I am not mistaken I believe originally in the time before Islam the number of luk would relate to you particular station in life. And related to the number of roofs in temple shrines.
I was not suggesting the greneng was added at a much later date, just a possible afterthought. It may in fact be original to the keris, but it is cut incorrectly for a Javanese blade. Probably a better reason for this is simply that it was done by an inexperienced village smith who didn’t know any better. At any rate it looks odd.
Staining the blade could be helpful in revealing more information about this blade .

[Gavin Nugent]

Thanks David,

I figured there would have been more to the learning about this keris.

So Village made Gayaman style dress, 3 luk blade sums it up.

Gavin

[Marcokeris]

Years ago a great scholar in yogya told me that 3-curved kris are quite rare for the reason that it is very difficult to find the right harmony on three curves that develop over the entire length of the blade and only a few blacksmiths are (or were)able to obtain it. One of them was L'empu Jeno.
This right harmony I can see in your kris, Gavin
About the pendok, at first glance it seems to me a motif used in Yogya...but maybe I'm wrong, because the upper end of the pendok fits perfectly to the gayaman

[David]

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

This right harmony I can see in your kris, Gavin
About the pendok, at first glance it seems to me a motif used in Yogya...but maybe I'm wrong, because the upper end of the pendok fits perfectly to the gayaman

Also this is not a Yogyakarta gayaman, is it?

[Gavin Nugent]

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

Years ago a great scholar in yogya told me that 3-curved kris are quite rare for the reason that it is very difficult to find the right harmony on three curves that develop over the entire length of the blade and only a few blacksmiths are (or were)able to obtain it. One of them was L'empu Jeno.
This right harmony I can see in your kris, Gavin
About the pendok, at first glance it seems to me a motif used in Yogya...but maybe I'm wrong, because the upper end of the pendok fits perfectly to the gayaman

Thank you Marcokeris. This is interesting about the 3 luk.

Originally Posted by David

Also this is not a Yogyakarta gayaman, is it?

David, I do not know, that is why I am here, you have much more experience where this type is concerned.

[kai]

I'm certain that Marco was referring to the possible discrepancy between the crosspiece obviously being in Surakarta style and his opinion on the pendok style...

[Marcokeris]

Yes Kai, exactly that! If the pendok was cut at the top, whoever folded it in past time did a good job

[David]

Originally Posted by kai

I'm certain that Marco was referring to the possible discrepancy between the crosspiece obviously being in Surakarta style and his opinion on the pendok style...

Yes, i understood what he meant about the style of how the pendok is finished and fitted at the top, but he also mentions his thought the motif appeared at first to be Yogya. So i'm not sure what you are pointing out.

[Jean]

Originally Posted by David

Yes, i understood what he meant about the style of how the pendok is finished and fitted at the top, but he also mentions his thought the motif appeared at first to be Yogya. So i'm not sure what you are pointing out.

IMO and although the pendok motif looks like one of the Yogya designs (but quite crudely made), it is not from Yogya because the motif extends to the tip and the pendok is not narrowed at the tip like the Yogya pendoks, see example.
Regards