Luzon Kris, just like Robert's

David · 26th February 2023, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kai

While it's not possible to prove a negative, I really don't think these 2 options are the only possible scenarios and I'd posit these 2 are not even the most likely ones: In many cultures, styles and patterns are fairly conserved over time and space (aka tradition). Thus, one tends to see patterns which are closely adhered to over generations and sometimes neighbouring areas. This doesn't have to be a sign of a single craftsman nor a "single school" (nor any militia pattern).

Apologies for the rant - I keep hearing such assumptions but hardly ever see any evidence like specific tool marks, brush strokes (paintings) or other stylistic features of the actual work by artisans.

Regards,
Kai

While i do understand your concern here Kai, i do have to say that if you go searching for other examples of these types of Luzon swords you will be pretty hard pressed to find an example that is this close a match to the two swords being presented. While i have seen other examples with a similar scrolled cross piece, these two are identical. It is also the same half wavy/half straight blade form. And while this is not an unknown hilt style from the area, the similarity here only reinforces the notion. No smoking gun here, of course, but these two swords are so similar that i would have no problem believing they came from the same source. I believe that to form a stronger opinion we would need to see a series of very detailed and well executed photographs of both swords.

drac2k · 26th February 2023, 07:06 PM

If Robert is willing, I certainly am.

Sajen · 26th February 2023, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by drac2k

If Robert is willing, I certainly am.

Robert has many private issues in the moment and his last visit here is long ago but I've found another thread where he has shown his sword, see here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...41&postcount=1
Given measurements: 27 3/16" overall, 21 1/2" blade.
Regards,
Detlef

drac2k · 27th February 2023, 05:29 PM

As per request. The handle measures 4 & 1/8" inches long and the guard 3.5" across.

Sajen · 27th February 2023, 06:25 PM

I would agree, it's the same workshop and the marking on the ricasso stay maybe for the blade length?

drac2k · 27th February 2023, 06:34 PM

The overall length of mine is approx. 25.5".

Gavin Nugent · 1st March 2023, 10:58 PM

These are interesting weapons. I have a nice silver dressed one here somewhere... will see if I can find it to post.

This exceptional example passed recently. Certainly the property of a man of standing.

27th February 2023, 05:29 PM	#4
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,258	As per request. The handle measures 4 & 1/8" inches long and the guard 3.5" across. Attached Images

1st March 2023, 10:58 PM	#7
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	These are interesting weapons. I have a nice silver dressed one here somewhere... will see if I can find it to post. This exceptional example passed recently. Certainly the property of a man of standing. Attached Images

26th February 2023, 07:06 PM	#2
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,258	If Robert is willing, I certainly am.

27th February 2023, 06:25 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,212	I would agree, it's the same workshop and the marking on the ricasso stay maybe for the blade length?

27th February 2023, 06:34 PM	#6
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,258	The overall length of mine is approx. 25.5".