19c Athame Kris Flamberge German Damascus Hammesfahr Melusine Hermes Mercurius

fernando · 24th February 2023, 11:16 AM

Joe, looks this type of threads is in the wrong place. Let us start by moving them over to the Miscellania forum.

JoeCanada42 · 24th February 2023, 10:38 PM

doesn't seem there is as many viewers over in miscellaneous
but place it where ever you like
whatever you think is best to get some replies please

I know the second one is looking at scissors in part (trying to track a maker, who probably also made daggers or has connection to),
But the main thing is the European blades in both. Weapons, for Shure, while some weapons don't see use, these probably did just in a different fashion.

Jim McDougall · 24th February 2023, 11:26 PM

Joe, you have a way of finding remarkably esoteric items, and while not weapons in the conventional sense, they serve key votive functions in occult functions. I think placement here is correct, and there is frankly as much attention here as other forums for guys who are looking into these kinds items.

As noted, these serve in religious, occult manner much as with the metaphysically oriented 'weapons' such as the PHURBU dagger of Tibet.

The undulating blade on this recalls those seen on the keris daggers of Malaysia, Indonesia and Philippines and interestingly also the intriguing figure Gerald Gardner (1884-1964) who was a key proponent of Wicca.
He was a British civil authority who was well traveled and deeply studied the traditional and magical aspects of the keris, and his book "Keris and Other Malay Weapons" (1936) became a landmark work on the subject.

Hopefully, there will be other entries. I would note that the 'ouroboros' was an important allegorical figure in various aspects of occult, including alchemy.

werecow · 24th February 2023, 11:32 PM

The double crescent shaped crossguard on the "kris" is peculiar with that cutout in the middle. It looks kind of like it was made for a blade that swivels.

JoeCanada42 · 25th February 2023, 01:21 AM

Hey, thanks both, Thanks Jim for the info and reassurance
"Keris and Other Malay Weapons" definitely going on my list
thanks Werecow for the observation, I will take more if you got some,

JoeCanada42 · 14th March 2023, 02:20 AM

Julius Hammesfahr is Carl Julius Krebs aka Kronen Krebs

JoeCanada42 · 14th March 2023, 02:22 AM

would be really cool to learn if there is anything to be said about the Damascus pattern?

14th March 2023, 02:20 AM	#6
JoeCanada42 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Canada Posts: 259	Julius Hammesfahr is Carl Julius Krebs aka Kronen Krebs Attached Images

24th February 2023, 11:16 AM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Joe, looks this type of threads is in the wrong place. Let us start by moving them over to the Miscellania forum.

24th February 2023, 10:38 PM	#2
JoeCanada42 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Canada Posts: 259	doesn't seem there is as many viewers over in miscellaneous but place it where ever you like whatever you think is best to get some replies please I know the second one is looking at scissors in part (trying to track a maker, who probably also made daggers or has connection to), But the main thing is the European blades in both. Weapons, for Shure, while some weapons don't see use, these probably did just in a different fashion.

24th February 2023, 11:26 PM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,295	Joe, you have a way of finding remarkably esoteric items, and while not weapons in the conventional sense, they serve key votive functions in occult functions. I think placement here is correct, and there is frankly as much attention here as other forums for guys who are looking into these kinds items. As noted, these serve in religious, occult manner much as with the metaphysically oriented 'weapons' such as the PHURBU dagger of Tibet. The undulating blade on this recalls those seen on the keris daggers of Malaysia, Indonesia and Philippines and interestingly also the intriguing figure Gerald Gardner (1884-1964) who was a key proponent of Wicca. He was a British civil authority who was well traveled and deeply studied the traditional and magical aspects of the keris, and his book "Keris and Other Malay Weapons" (1936) became a landmark work on the subject. Hopefully, there will be other entries. I would note that the 'ouroboros' was an important allegorical figure in various aspects of occult, including alchemy.

24th February 2023, 11:32 PM	#4
werecow Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: Leiden, NL Posts: 572	The double crescent shaped crossguard on the "kris" is peculiar with that cutout in the middle. It looks kind of like it was made for a blade that swivels.

25th February 2023, 01:21 AM	#5
JoeCanada42 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Canada Posts: 259	Hey, thanks both, Thanks Jim for the info and reassurance "Keris and Other Malay Weapons" definitely going on my list thanks Werecow for the observation, I will take more if you got some,

14th March 2023, 02:22 AM	#7
JoeCanada42 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Canada Posts: 259	would be really cool to learn if there is anything to be said about the Damascus pattern?