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			Nice keris, Ian. 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
			If it were me, I'd take a look at the silhouette of the gonjo looking at it from top down, to see if it would support a Tuban classification. Last edited by jagabuwana; 28th January 2023 at 08:58 AM. Reason: Brain fart  | 
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			Hi Ian, 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	Keraton Pamekasan refers to Madura court Pamor kulit semangka = pamor watermelon skin Tilam upe might refer to the dhapur (form) of the keris. In Java it would be called Tilam Upih. However normally dhapur Tilam Upih would have a tikel alis, which I do not see here. Without tikel alis then the dhapur would be called Brojol.  | 
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			Hi Ian, 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
			I am not sure. But every time I see a straight keris with broad pamor and coarse iron like that I intuitively think of Madura. Because a lot of Madurese keris with luks have similar pamor style and iron. Or maybe we can just call it East Java to be safe - because Madura is geographically in East Java. Last edited by rasdan; 28th January 2023 at 01:31 PM. Reason: spelling  | 
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			Nothing much to add to what has already been wriiten, just a few comments:- 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
			1) I doubt that Pamekesan ever had a kraton, its status is as a Kabupaten, a regency, I'm not all that familiar with the history of Pamekasan, but I believe that it never had a Sultan, nor a Sunan, it was always under the ultimate control of Sumenep, which was a Sultanate. It might have had an Istana, ie, palace, where the Bupati (regent) lived, but if no Sultan or Sunan, it could not have had a Kraton. 2) dress is Central Jawa, Solo style 3) not tilam upih, but as YS has said, brojol 4) the "upe" spelling is perfectly understandable, a non-native speaker hearing the word could easily give it that spelling, as could a poorly educated native speaker --- I get emails frequently from several people in Solo who left school before they entered high school, and writing in both Javanese & BI their spellings sometimes do take a bit of effort to understand. 5) I'm of a like mind with Rasdan on blade origin, I would give this blade as Madura without a second though --- if I did have a second thought I might give it as East Jawa, thus including Madura, but throwing the net wider. Pamor ngulit semangko --- kulit semangka --- and a couple of other alternate spellings. Edit I think you might be right about Tuban Jaga, that gonjo looks very much like it could be nguceng mati. Last edited by A. G. Maisey; 28th January 2023 at 08:05 PM. Reason: The Third Thought  | 
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			I don't have much to add here either, except to say that i find it to be an attractive keris. Can you show us a photo from above showing the fit to the sheath. I am curious to know if this East Jawa blade Solo sheath was made specifically for this blade. Thanks!
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			widening a sheath to hold a blade is easy, tightening it without adding anything is a little more difficult
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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 Though i personally enjoy a wrongko that has been well adapted with inserted wood to fit a smaller blade profile. It generally shows that the owner valued that sheath for some reason. I have a couple of nice wrongko like that which were refitted because they are well made from desirable wood.  | 
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