Chronological listing of Polish-Lithuanian and Hungarian sabers

[awdaniec666]

Originally Posted by Teisani

An interesting site with portraits of mostly Hungarian nobility (many of them with their sabres).
https://sites.google.com/site/hagyom...szazad/adattar

What an exceptional source! Thanks for sharing!

[Teisani]

Originally Posted by awdaniec666

What an exceptional source! Thanks for sharing!

You're welcome. Another useful search phrase in Google images, you already may know of, is "portret sarmacki". It gives plenty of images of noblemen wearing sabres.

[Teisani]

In addition to sabres, I recommend looking at pallashes as well, since they have roughly the same hilts as contemporary sabres.
Here are two hussar pallashes from Lithuania which I rarely see posted:
1 - https://vdkm.limis.lt/en/eksponatai/...ype=EKSPONATAS
2 - https://www.limis.lt/en/paieska/perz...ype=EKSPONATAS

[Teisani]

Another thing to consider when dating sabres can be scabbard fittings. Here's an interesting article on this topic (in Russian, but Google translate works well enough). https://www.kitabhona.org.ua/libwar_armor/oboyma1.html

[awdaniec666]

Teisani,
I regret not having the time in the moment to dive in a extended discussion about our topic here with you but I follow your posts with great interest. Feel free to take the PDF from above and add information to it, if you want. I think this would be beneficial for all readers. There is so much to talk about and I will come back to it on a regular basis after finishing my final university exam which consumes nearly all of my time until April I had the urge to write this because you´re putting in that effort and so much in-depth information. Thanks again for that.

[Teisani]

Originally Posted by awdaniec666

Teisani,
I regret not having the time in the moment to dive in a extended discussion about our topic here with you but I follow your posts with great interest.

No worries awdaniec666. For now, I will try to compile sabres/depictions of sabres that can be reliably dated to the period of interest (eg Nikola Zrinski's sabre, which physically exists and of which there is also a period depiction).

Once all this compilation is done, the analysis/conversation of said data can begin. I'll post everything I have in the next week (not much, just what I could find online).

A few notes:

1 - The title is "Chronological listing of Polish-Lithuanian and Hungarian sabers"; however, I believe some Byzantine/Ottoman Empire sabres from the 1400s-1600s may be included for analysis as Central and Eastern Europe did not develop in a vacuum.

2 - I have some doubts that the sabre depicted here has a karabela hilt (first page your PDF). When you have time, could you please provide a higher quality picture, or tell me where was it taken? I just have doubts that the karabela hilt originated in the early 1500s.

3 - The picture of the Ferdinand II, Archduke of Austria sabre is really nice . When you have time, can you please provide it in a higher resolution on this thread?

Have a nice day and good luck with your exam!

[Teisani]

A nice book: Huszárfegyverek a 15-17. században by Kovács S. Tibor https://issuu.com/lajosyossarian/doc...sz__rfegyverek