Pesh-kabz dating.

Tim Simmons · 24th October 2022, 09:19 PM

Although this appears to be a fairly recent piece it does not mean that it does not belong to a tradition.

Battara · 25th October 2022, 02:28 AM

I like the koftgari, but yes I have seen several of these on the market, new work from India.

Dmitry · 25th October 2022, 03:51 PM

I'm glad that my suspicions are shared!
The piece was represented by the seller as a veritable antique, and that he's had it in his possession for several decades, which I didn't believe. Handling it...it just didn't feel "right".
Thank you, all!

Interested Party · 26th October 2022, 03:35 AM

It looks like Rajasthan to me. The question I have wondered is are many of these old parts mixed with new, or all new with aging to some areas?

Battara · 26th October 2022, 04:45 AM

I had one of these with Urdu on it the was made in the 1960s - several decades also therefore also.

mariusgmioc · 27th October 2022, 08:28 AM

Yes, this is indeed of recent production.

Moreover, I do not consider this to be a pesh-kabz as it doesn't have any of the characteristics that define the pesh-kabz. It does neither have the long, sleek blade with a T- spine, nor the typical hilt adapted for under-hand grip.

I would call this knife a zirah-bouk as it has the typical reinforced "armour piercing" tip.

I have seen many modern versions of this type of knife but very, very few that are genuinely antique.

Battara · 28th October 2022, 01:15 AM

You bring up a good point (every pun intended

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ariel · 30th October 2022, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Yes, this is indeed of recent production.

Moreover, I do not consider this to be a pesh-kabz as it doesn't have any of the characteristics that define the pesh-kabz. It does neither have the long, sleek blade with a T- spine, nor the typical hilt adapted for under-hand grip.

I would call this knife a zirah-bouk as it has the typical reinforced "armour piercing" tip.

I have seen many modern versions of this type of knife but very, very few that are genuinely antique.

It cannot be a pesh kabz: those are single edged.
This one is a crude and recent khanjar-like ( double edged) souvenir with a zirah bouk tip . If it is sharpened, it can be very useful in a midnight bar melee.

27th October 2022, 08:28 AM	#6
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,912	Recent production Yes, this is indeed of recent production. Moreover, I do not consider this to be a pesh-kabz as it doesn't have any of the characteristics that define the pesh-kabz. It does neither have the long, sleek blade with a T- spine, nor the typical hilt adapted for under-hand grip. I would call this knife a zirah-bouk as it has the typical reinforced "armour piercing" tip. I have seen many modern versions of this type of knife but very, very few that are genuinely antique.

24th October 2022, 09:19 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,925	Although this appears to be a fairly recent piece it does not mean that it does not belong to a tradition.

25th October 2022, 02:28 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	I like the koftgari, but yes I have seen several of these on the market, new work from India.

25th October 2022, 03:51 PM	#3
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	I'm glad that my suspicions are shared! The piece was represented by the seller as a veritable antique, and that he's had it in his possession for several decades, which I didn't believe. Handling it...it just didn't feel "right". Thank you, all!

26th October 2022, 03:35 AM	#4
Interested Party Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Eastern Sierra Posts: 511	It looks like Rajasthan to me. The question I have wondered is are many of these old parts mixed with new, or all new with aging to some areas?

26th October 2022, 04:45 AM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	I had one of these with Urdu on it the was made in the 1960s - several decades also therefore also.

28th October 2022, 01:15 AM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	You bring up a good point (every pun intended )