Old keris New Warangan

SidJ · 18th October 2022, 08:07 PM

I should add for what it is worth that the mendak turned out to be gold on this one.

Anthony G. · 19th October 2022, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SidJ

I should add for what it is worth that the mendak turned out to be gold on this one.

congrat!

A. G. Maisey · 19th October 2022, 04:46 AM

Not bad Sid, not bad at all.

You've done well.

Pajajaran I think.

SidJ · 19th October 2022, 08:24 PM

Thanks Alan. Does this equate to around the 1600s?

A. G. Maisey · 19th October 2022, 10:08 PM

Sid, when we are talking about older tangguh classifications we cannot adopt a time related frame of reference to fit with these classifications.

The Solonese initiated tangguh reference system was designed for a necessity that had nothing at all to do with the whims & desires of collectors and present day dealers. The present day market place has corrupted the tangguh system to something that I personally regard as having very little relevance to reality.

That said, if you are looking at age of this piece, I would place it as pre-1850 and from West Jawa. It could go back into the 1600's, but I do tend to be very conservative with age estimates, it is very easy to be wrong.

SidJ · 19th October 2022, 11:52 PM

Thanks Alan
This tangguh system is incredibly opaque. I am not at all clear if it helps or hinders a typical westerner to understand keris age. Thanks for advising on the age Im happy with around 1850. Fair bit of age to it which is great.

jagabuwana · 20th October 2022, 12:49 AM

Very nice SidJ. I find it near impossible to find keris, let alone good keris in Aus, aside from one obvious source which I will not name (but I think we all know it) so as to not violate this forums rules around commercials. So more luck to you!

I've only ever found two keris - both old and from antique shops. One Javanese shabby condition keris found in Katoomba in 2018 and the other an old Bali blade dressed in one of the famous Bali tourist styles, found this year in Bowral. I'll always pop into any antique shop I pass for a quick scan just incase. My odds aren't great but it makes a find all the more satisfying.

18th October 2022, 08:07 PM	#1
SidJ Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 207	I should add for what it is worth that the mendak turned out to be gold on this one.

19th October 2022, 04:46 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Not bad Sid, not bad at all. You've done well. Pajajaran I think.

19th October 2022, 08:24 PM	#4
SidJ Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 207	Thanks Alan. Does this equate to around the 1600s?

19th October 2022, 10:08 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Sid, when we are talking about older tangguh classifications we cannot adopt a time related frame of reference to fit with these classifications. The Solonese initiated tangguh reference system was designed for a necessity that had nothing at all to do with the whims & desires of collectors and present day dealers. The present day market place has corrupted the tangguh system to something that I personally regard as having very little relevance to reality. That said, if you are looking at age of this piece, I would place it as pre-1850 and from West Jawa. It could go back into the 1600's, but I do tend to be very conservative with age estimates, it is very easy to be wrong.

19th October 2022, 11:52 PM	#6
SidJ Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 207	Thanks Alan This tangguh system is incredibly opaque. I am not at all clear if it helps or hinders a typical westerner to understand keris age. Thanks for advising on the age Im happy with around 1850. Fair bit of age to it which is great.

20th October 2022, 12:49 AM	#7
jagabuwana Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 290	Very nice SidJ. I find it near impossible to find keris, let alone good keris in Aus, aside from one obvious source which I will not name (but I think we all know it) so as to not violate this forums rules around commercials. So more luck to you! I've only ever found two keris - both old and from antique shops. One Javanese shabby condition keris found in Katoomba in 2018 and the other an old Bali blade dressed in one of the famous Bali tourist styles, found this year in Bowral. I'll always pop into any antique shop I pass for a quick scan just incase. My odds aren't great but it makes a find all the more satisfying.