Sheath symbolism, does the concept of pamor extend also too wooden patterns?

[milandro]

Originally Posted by David

Reread what i wrote Milandro. The "gandar" of the sheath is the stem piece as i have correctly noted, where the Dwi Rho motif is situated. The "gambar" is the "boat" aspect of the wrongko. It was that part of the sheath that i called the "gambar" in my post.
When we see figures or faces in pamor patterns these are generally unplanned events and considered to be talismanic and powerful because they are "Acts of God". It is called pamor Raja Guntala. These pamors can have different significances dependent upon what they seem to depict. Never heard of them being used to predict the future though.

thank you for the correction, , I will add it to my lexicon. I though it was something like Warangka-Wrongko thing.

I did'n mean to say that there was any “ divination “ associated to the Indonesian symbolism but that in general in many cultures in the world, people look at “ shapes ” in things and attribute a meaning to that whether propitiatory, apotropaic or in some cases divinatory but I didn’t refer specifically to this happening in Indonesia.

[A. G. Maisey]

On the "warangka-wrongko" thing, this is the same word, just different ways of spelling it, I guess something similar to the way in which word spellings in English can can differ from place to place, and maybe for a similar reason, the variant spellings reflect the actual spoken sound.

The "a" sound in warangka/wrangka/rangka is pronounced very close to an "o", so the word becomes worongko/wrongko/rongko.

That "o" sound being substituted for an "a" is perhaps down to English language keyboards, in old days the sound was represented by an "a" with a dot over it, these days you can only tell the difference between a dotted "a" and an undotted "a" by learning the language.

But in Bahasa Indonesia, "warangka" will correctly be pronounced as it is written, the "a" is an "a".