Gentle way to improve Pamor (no chemicals)

kronckew · 10th March 2022, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by milandro

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Water soluble? I am not doubting it , I am just curious and genuinely interested...but how is it possible if this is a oil?
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Maybe a better word is miscible.

From the Ballistol website:
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Can you mix Ballistol with water?
Since Ballistol emulsifies with water, mix one part Ballistol and two parts water to make one of the best black powder solvents available.
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It's called the Ouzo Effect <-Wiki Link

When used on damp steel. the oil penetrates the water, coats the steel and the water lifts off the surface, where it evaporates.

milandro · 10th March 2022, 05:12 PM

I suppose it will emulsify

Marcokeris · 10th March 2022, 06:13 PM

I only use Ballistol on my kris. I have been using it for many years and I must say that it is excellent in preventing rust. I put it on the blades a couple of times a year ... sometimes I also put it (but very little) on the wooden sheaths or handles. I also use the Ballistol to clean a little the metal pendoks

milandro · 10th March 2022, 06:24 PM

( Salve ) Hello Marco,

, do you use any scent on your krises?

Balistol seem to smell of aniseed. I don’t know how this wold mix with other more traditional scents.

A. G. Maisey · 10th March 2022, 08:01 PM

Jean, old fashioned, ie, "old school" blackboard chalk was made from calcium carbonate + some other stuff, but modern chalk appears to be made from gypsum.

http://cameo.mfa.org/wiki/Blackboard_chalk

A. G. Maisey · 10th March 2022, 08:12 PM

Milandro, I have been using a mix of medicinal paraffin @ +/-50% + sandalwood @ +/- 45% + kenongo @ +/- 5% for about 45 years as my keris oil.

I adapted this mix from the most often used mix in Solo, which uses coconut oil instead of medicinal paraffin. For about 10 or 15 years I have sometimes substituted Singer sewing machine oil for the med. paraffin.

These oils mix well, they do not separate.

After oiling I use a thin plastic envelope to wrap the blade, before oiling I often use WD40 and allow it to dry before using the scented oil mix.

I store the complete keris in a cloth bag (singep) and store in a closed space.

I live 25 meters from a salt water lake and my house is exposed to prevailing winds, blades treated as I have advised will stay clean and uncorroded for more than 20 years. Much more than 20 years.

Nobody I know, have known, or heard of uses gun oil --- or any form of Balistol --- on tosan aji in Solo.

milandro · 10th March 2022, 09:43 PM

Thank you A.G.Maisey!

Singer Oil is what my friend uses and he says indeed that many on Bali use that too.

About the wrapping I am sure it is the best thing to do in a hot and humid climate with salt air.

Yet one never knows , perhaps Balistol is just the western version of the Singer Oil + scent? Having read the fact sheet it seems to be rather harmless albeit completely unknown in Indonesia.

Marcokeris · 10th March 2022, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milandro

( Salve ) Hello Marco,

, do you use any scent on your krises?

Balistol seem to smell of aniseed. I don’t know how this wold mix with other more traditional scents.

Hello Milandro. Usually, but not always, I add some scented essences made for kris (like sandalwood or others) to the ballistol that cover the scent of the ballistol. However even when I use the ballistol alone, I like the smell of it.

thomas hauschild · 14th March 2022, 05:52 AM

Take care of copper alloys in combination with ballistol. This oil is not 100% neutral. As a „weapon-oil“ it is designed to remove copper and tombak out of gunbarrels by light acid. If you will bring contents of ballistol in a wooden or leather scabbard and there will be any contact with copperalloy, the metal will become green very fast.

Best Thomas

milandro · 14th March 2022, 10:39 AM

if it oxidizes brass and if its PH is acid then I don’t see how it would not damage iron.

However a search on internet reveals that Ballistol in very mildly basic (not acid) and if anything neutralizes acidity

https://ballistol.com/faqs/

and for using ballistol on Brass, there is a report in German

https://www.ballistol-shop.de/Ballis...ing:_:108.html

so long immersion or contact on copper or brass is not recomended but that is not the case with a kris (generally)

“...What you can't do with Ballistol and brass
Only if you insert brass in a large amount of Ballistol permanently or at least for a very long time in Ballistol will the brass and Ballistol turn green due to the uninterrupted process of dissolving the copper contained in the brass. This is a so-called copper-ammonia complex in low concentration. In high concentration, this complex would be colored blue.
This means that Ballistol should not be stored in oilers or atomizers that contain brass parts, as this is where Ballistol is usually intended to be stored for a long time.
But that also means that Ballistol can be used excellently for all other applications with brass. For example, Ballistol is used to care for knives, even or especially if they contain brass or bronze. Because Ballistol also has the advantage of being food safe and is therefore used in the food processing industry. You can find out more about this in the Ballistol story...."

10th March 2022, 05:12 PM	#2
milandro Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Netherlands Posts: 497	I suppose it will emulsify

10th March 2022, 06:13 PM	#3
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	I only use Ballistol on my kris. I have been using it for many years and I must say that it is excellent in preventing rust. I put it on the blades a couple of times a year ... sometimes I also put it (but very little) on the wooden sheaths or handles. I also use the Ballistol to clean a little the metal pendoks

10th March 2022, 06:24 PM	#4
milandro Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Netherlands Posts: 497	( Salve ) Hello Marco, , do you use any scent on your krises? Balistol seem to smell of aniseed. I don’t know how this wold mix with other more traditional scents.

10th March 2022, 08:01 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	Jean, old fashioned, ie, "old school" blackboard chalk was made from calcium carbonate + some other stuff, but modern chalk appears to be made from gypsum. http://cameo.mfa.org/wiki/Blackboard_chalk

10th March 2022, 08:12 PM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	Milandro, I have been using a mix of medicinal paraffin @ +/-50% + sandalwood @ +/- 45% + kenongo @ +/- 5% for about 45 years as my keris oil. I adapted this mix from the most often used mix in Solo, which uses coconut oil instead of medicinal paraffin. For about 10 or 15 years I have sometimes substituted Singer sewing machine oil for the med. paraffin. These oils mix well, they do not separate. After oiling I use a thin plastic envelope to wrap the blade, before oiling I often use WD40 and allow it to dry before using the scented oil mix. I store the complete keris in a cloth bag (singep) and store in a closed space. I live 25 meters from a salt water lake and my house is exposed to prevailing winds, blades treated as I have advised will stay clean and uncorroded for more than 20 years. Much more than 20 years. Nobody I know, have known, or heard of uses gun oil --- or any form of Balistol --- on tosan aji in Solo.

10th March 2022, 09:43 PM	#7
milandro Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Netherlands Posts: 497	Thank you A.G.Maisey! Singer Oil is what my friend uses and he says indeed that many on Bali use that too. About the wrapping I am sure it is the best thing to do in a hot and humid climate with salt air. Yet one never knows , perhaps Balistol is just the western version of the Singer Oil + scent? Having read the fact sheet it seems to be rather harmless albeit completely unknown in Indonesia.

14th March 2022, 05:52 AM	#9
thomas hauschild Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Germany Posts: 144	Take care of copper alloys in combination with ballistol. This oil is not 100% neutral. As a „weapon-oil“ it is designed to remove copper and tombak out of gunbarrels by light acid. If you will bring contents of ballistol in a wooden or leather scabbard and there will be any contact with copperalloy, the metal will become green very fast. Best Thomas

14th March 2022, 10:39 AM	#10
milandro Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Netherlands Posts: 497	if it oxidizes brass and if its PH is acid then I don’t see how it would not damage iron. However a search on internet reveals that Ballistol in very mildly basic (not acid) and if anything neutralizes acidity https://ballistol.com/faqs/ and for using ballistol on Brass, there is a report in German https://www.ballistol-shop.de/Ballis...ing:_:108.html so long immersion or contact on copper or brass is not recomended but that is not the case with a kris (generally) “...What you can't do with Ballistol and brass Only if you insert brass in a large amount of Ballistol permanently or at least for a very long time in Ballistol will the brass and Ballistol turn green due to the uninterrupted process of dissolving the copper contained in the brass. This is a so-called copper-ammonia complex in low concentration. In high concentration, this complex would be colored blue. This means that Ballistol should not be stored in oilers or atomizers that contain brass parts, as this is where Ballistol is usually intended to be stored for a long time. But that also means that Ballistol can be used excellently for all other applications with brass. For example, Ballistol is used to care for knives, even or especially if they contain brass or bronze. Because Ballistol also has the advantage of being food safe and is therefore used in the food processing industry. You can find out more about this in the Ballistol story...."