Canons

adrian · 14th January 2022, 07:45 PM

I have been involved, directly and indirectly, in a number of restorations some of which have included new trunnions and the guns that are subject of this post do not appear to have welded on trunnions.

Below are photos:

Showing a gun with its original trunnions - virtually everything about which appears identical to the subject guns.

Showing a gun having new trunnions welded on - evidence of such a weld & its 'clean up' are virtually impossible to disguise against close inspection.

Showing a completed gun that has new trunnions & chase. At a distance the trunnions appear okay while the new chase is easily detected due to its lack of surface corrosion.

df1967 · 14th January 2022, 07:59 PM

Thanks! Do you have any clue where such canons where in use? Even in this small versions…ships or fortifications? I guess this signs HF is the manufacturer but no idea who this could be….

df1967 · 14th January 2022, 08:06 PM

Manufacturer?

adrian · 15th January 2022, 12:20 AM

I think you will find that the two main uses for guns of such small nature was either as swivel guns, whether on a boat, ship or fort's rampart or as largely decorative arms in stately manors, castles and similar buildings owned by the aristocracy & wealthy.

I agree that those marks are probably those of the foundry. You might consider it worthwhile to engage the experts to tell you what they can at https://www.basiliscoe.com/

fernando · 15th January 2022, 09:58 AM

Aren't these too heavy/massive for swivels ... and no aiming tail

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No offense but, have you tried elementary tests like introducing a stick into the barrel and check it it goes through all the way down to the touch hole ?

df1967 · 15th January 2022, 12:06 PM

Yes they are open till the touch whole as it should be…no offens at all!

CSinTX · 15th January 2022, 12:23 PM

Better pictures of each touch hole? How do they compare? If they were shot very much, the touch holes wear down.

Also pics of the muzzles?

14th January 2022, 07:45 PM	#1
adrian Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 132	I have been involved, directly and indirectly, in a number of restorations some of which have included new trunnions and the guns that are subject of this post do not appear to have welded on trunnions. Below are photos: Showing a gun with its original trunnions - virtually everything about which appears identical to the subject guns. Showing a gun having new trunnions welded on - evidence of such a weld & its 'clean up' are virtually impossible to disguise against close inspection. Showing a completed gun that has new trunnions & chase. At a distance the trunnions appear okay while the new chase is easily detected due to its lack of surface corrosion. Attached Images

14th January 2022, 08:06 PM	#3
df1967 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Germany Posts: 47	Manufacturer? Attached Images

15th January 2022, 12:20 AM	#4
adrian Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 132	I think you will find that the two main uses for guns of such small nature was either as swivel guns, whether on a boat, ship or fort's rampart or as largely decorative arms in stately manors, castles and similar buildings owned by the aristocracy & wealthy. I agree that those marks are probably those of the foundry. You might consider it worthwhile to engage the experts to tell you what they can at https://www.basiliscoe.com/ Last edited by adrian; 15th January 2022 at 12:33 AM.

14th January 2022, 07:59 PM	#2
df1967 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Germany Posts: 47	Thanks! Do you have any clue where such canons where in use? Even in this small versions…ships or fortifications? I guess this signs HF is the manufacturer but no idea who this could be….

15th January 2022, 09:58 AM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Aren't these too heavy/massive for swivels ... and no aiming tail . No offense but, have you tried elementary tests like introducing a stick into the barrel and check it it goes through all the way down to the touch hole ?

15th January 2022, 12:06 PM	#6
df1967 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Germany Posts: 47	Yes they are open till the touch whole as it should be…no offens at all!

15th January 2022, 12:23 PM	#7
CSinTX Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 233	Better pictures of each touch hole? How do they compare? If they were shot very much, the touch holes wear down. Also pics of the muzzles?