Tjikeroeh swords

gp · 18th November 2021, 07:34 PM

hereby my small one, a so called hartsvanger or Hirschfänger

Totale length 26.5 cm incl scabbard
knife 23.5 cm
blade 14.5 cm lang 2 cm wide
grip 9.5 cm
ferrule 1.5cm pommel 1.5 cm
bone grip 6 cm copper crossguard 6 cm
scallop shell 3 cm 1.3 narrow
locket 1 cm

gp · 18th November 2021, 07:35 PM

some more

gp · 18th November 2021, 07:41 PM

now the bigger one

49 total, scabbard 38 cm, chape 6 cm, locket 4 cm
scallop shell 4 cm 3 narrow
bone grip 7.5 cm pommel 2 cm
knife 42 cm blade 30.5 cm with a width of 3- 2.5 - 4 cm
drawing on the blade : 7.5 and 6 cm, reverse side 8 en 7 cm

gp · 18th November 2021, 07:46 PM

a few more...

Peter Andeweg · 19th November 2021, 08:22 AM

Nice example Micheal,

The Tjikeroeh swords were made around 1870-1920 and were often made for KNIL soldiers as private purchase. These are in fact the first mass produced swords/knives from West Java. Earlier examples were often made in the region Tjiandjoer, nearby all near Bandung, but were different in shape and decoration.
The decoration pattern on yours is commonly seen on most Tjikeroe (Cikeruh) swords.

They had no military use, but were brought back to the Netherlands as reminder of their time in the Dutch East Indies.
These swords were not made for the East India company. I have seen a 19th century example which was marked VOC and dated 1698, but it was actually made in the 1840-1850's. It was probably ment as a tribute or perhaps talismanic.

Most of these swords are inspired by the German and Dutch 'hirshfanger' or the KNIL regulated Klewang models.

Amuk Murugul · 19th November 2021, 10:40 AM

Hullo gp,

This may help:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...44&postcount=1

Best,

gp · 19th November 2021, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amuk Murugul

Hullo gp,

This may help:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...44&postcount=1

Best,

terima kasih !

gp · 19th November 2021, 06:45 PM

a few more pics

Duccio · 22nd November 2021, 11:54 AM

Speaking of goloks from Tjikeroeh, I would like to know if any expert on this type of object can give me some information on the golok of which I am attaching some photos:
it is a knife with a very corroded blade (deep rust then eliminated? Or what else?)
But the thing that intrigues me is the writing in gold letters on one side. It doesn't read very well from the photo, but it says "K_GJELLERUP".
The only reference I was able to find online is to Karl Adolph Gjellerup, Danish poet and Nobel laureate (1857-1919).
But it seems rather strange to me that a Danish poet owns a golok and makes us write his name on the blade ...
Any suggestions?
Greetings to everyone.
Duccio

Gustav · 22nd November 2021, 12:07 PM

http://www.nationaalherbarium.nl/FMC...GjellerupK.htm

Duccio · 22nd November 2021, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustav

http://www.nationaalherbarium.nl/FMC...GjellerupK.htm

Wow, Gustav, what speed! And surely the Gjellerup you found has a much better chance of being the owner of my golok than a poet could have!
Thank you so much!
Duccio

Gustav · 22nd November 2021, 02:27 PM

You are welcome, Duccio.

kai · 22nd November 2021, 09:27 PM

Hello Duccio,

Quote:

a knife with a very corroded blade (deep rust then eliminated? Or what else?)

Yes, I believe so - these swords are usually made from modern steel.

The corrosion seems consistent with the blade being wrapped for storage and then sitting with quite a bit of moisture for extended periods.

I also believe Gustav pointed to the likely owner. Let me know if you decide to part with this piece, please!

Regards,
Kai

Duccio · 24th November 2021, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

Let me know if you decide to part with this piece, please!

Regards,
Kai

Ciao Kai,
you are the first on the list!
When I decide to part with it, I'll warn you first, rest assured.
But you have to take away a curiosity: why are you interested in a knife that, it seems to me, is not very valuable, indeed, it seems to me rather ruined?
Greetings.
Duccio

kai · 24th November 2021, 08:29 PM

Thanks, Duccio!

Certainly a combination of reasons: I have a substantial collection of Sunda blades and this would be a nice addition despite condition issues. I'm keen to examine the steel to check my estimate and to compare how this blade performs compared to other styles. I'm mostly into the older blades and this would be one of the younger examples.

Regards,
Kai

18th November 2021, 07:34 PM	#1
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 830	hereby my small one, a so called hartsvanger or Hirschfänger Totale length 26.5 cm incl scabbard knife 23.5 cm blade 14.5 cm lang 2 cm wide grip 9.5 cm ferrule 1.5cm pommel 1.5 cm bone grip 6 cm copper crossguard 6 cm scallop shell 3 cm 1.3 narrow locket 1 cm Attached Images

18th November 2021, 07:35 PM	#2
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 830	some more Attached Images

18th November 2021, 07:41 PM	#3
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 830	now the bigger one 49 total, scabbard 38 cm, chape 6 cm, locket 4 cm scallop shell 4 cm 3 narrow bone grip 7.5 cm pommel 2 cm knife 42 cm blade 30.5 cm with a width of 3- 2.5 - 4 cm drawing on the blade : 7.5 and 6 cm, reverse side 8 en 7 cm Attached Images

18th November 2021, 07:46 PM	#4
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 830	a few more... Attached Images

19th November 2021, 06:45 PM	#8
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 830	a few more pics Attached Images

19th November 2021, 08:22 AM	#5
Peter Andeweg Member Join Date: Feb 2020 Location: Vlissingen, Netherlands Posts: 71	Nice example Micheal, The Tjikeroeh swords were made around 1870-1920 and were often made for KNIL soldiers as private purchase. These are in fact the first mass produced swords/knives from West Java. Earlier examples were often made in the region Tjiandjoer, nearby all near Bandung, but were different in shape and decoration. The decoration pattern on yours is commonly seen on most Tjikeroe (Cikeruh) swords. They had no military use, but were brought back to the Netherlands as reminder of their time in the Dutch East Indies. These swords were not made for the East India company. I have seen a 19th century example which was marked VOC and dated 1698, but it was actually made in the 1840-1850's. It was probably ment as a tribute or perhaps talismanic. Most of these swords are inspired by the German and Dutch 'hirshfanger' or the KNIL regulated Klewang models.

19th November 2021, 10:40 AM	#6
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 472	Hullo gp, This may help: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...44&postcount=1 Best,

22nd November 2021, 11:54 AM	#9
Duccio Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Florence, Italy Posts: 64	Speaking of goloks from Tjikeroeh, I would like to know if any expert on this type of object can give me some information on the golok of which I am attaching some photos: it is a knife with a very corroded blade (deep rust then eliminated? Or what else?) But the thing that intrigues me is the writing in gold letters on one side. It doesn't read very well from the photo, but it says "K_GJELLERUP". The only reference I was able to find online is to Karl Adolph Gjellerup, Danish poet and Nobel laureate (1857-1919). But it seems rather strange to me that a Danish poet owns a golok and makes us write his name on the blade ... Any suggestions? Greetings to everyone. Duccio Attached Images

22nd November 2021, 12:07 PM	#10
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,280	http://www.nationaalherbarium.nl/FMC...GjellerupK.htm

22nd November 2021, 02:27 PM	#12
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,280	You are welcome, Duccio.

24th November 2021, 08:29 PM	#15
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Thanks, Duccio! Certainly a combination of reasons: I have a substantial collection of Sunda blades and this would be a nice addition despite condition issues. I'm keen to examine the steel to check my estimate and to compare how this blade performs compared to other styles. I'm mostly into the older blades and this would be one of the younger examples. Regards, Kai