Thoughts on burgonet construction

[10thRoyal]

Damn Victorian copies. Oh well, live and learn. Still an amateur collector. I put too much stock in those painted markings it seems.

[ulfberth]

You learned from it, so see it as a good investement !
We all have payed the price for learning, and those who did not, haven't learned a.... its just not possible to learn the hardware from books alone , thats only half the work. Books help for academic knowledge , hands on experience for hardware knowledge.
There are no shortcuts either, it takes decades no matter your background or budget and some never develop the finesse, there are however different fields and time will tell were you'r talent lies.

[M ELEY]

Well, at least it's Victorian and not an outright falsely aged fake. These are still collectable and have value, just not as much as the 'real deal'!

[10thRoyal]

Originally Posted by M ELEY

Well, at least it's Victorian and not an outright falsely aged fake. These are still collectable and have value, just not as much as the 'real deal'!

You make a good point. I didn't pay a huge amount for it so I could probably make a couple bucks on it, but I won't be adding it to my collection. As for a learning material its not half bad. More than the "metal helmet" it was marked as, less than 16th century burgonet I hoped it was. Still just learning one step at a time.

Now learn me this, what are the painted letters on the ears? Now I am just plain curious.

And thank y'all for the input and expertise.

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by 10thRoyal

You make a good point. I didn't pay a huge amount for it so I could probably make a couple bucks on it, but I won't be adding it to my collection. As for a learning material its not half bad. More than the "metal helmet" it was marked as, less than 16th century burgonet I hoped it was. Still just learning one step at a time.

Now learn me this, what are the painted letters on the ears? Now I am just plain curious.

And thank y'all for the input and expertise.

10th,
A lot of these items are not only baronial smoking room decorations, but often can be theatrical props. There was quite an industry of making these costume and prop items in the Victorian period, and before the use of plastics etc. many of these were quite well made.
The letters and numbers may have been administrative and/or inventory numbers etc.
I have researched a number of items which had all appearances of authenticity which turned out to be in this category.
These still make great decorators, and as often noted, they are still antiques in their own right.
Many of the Victorian reproductions by Ernst Schmidt of Munich were so well done they ended up in museums.

I think you could turn this by representing it in accord with its genuine antiquity as there are collectors who are interested in this type items.

As for the Schmidt arms, there was a book put out years ago by Mowbray publishing on 'The Atelier of Ernst Schmidt of Munich' (1967)which was a history and catalog of his works which compared his items to the authentic pieces they were modelled after. This offers a great learning tool for recognizing authentic items and the nuances in differences. I think Amazon might have it.

[ulfberth]

As Jim said, it's an antique on its own and these do have value depending on their quality.
It's more than just a steel helmet, and a nice model to in close resemblance to the original one. As for the letters in the ears, it could very well be from a stock of a theatre or prop rental.
I remember a few decades ago when a theatre prop rental sold out there even were some original items in their stock, these things still happen.
That's what makes our passion so exiting, and some armours of Ernst Schmid have sold as high as original ones. This one was sold for 54,675 £ at Christies in 2013 and it was described correct as early 20th C Ernst Schmidt.
kind regards
Ulfberth

[fernando]

You may always find a noveau riche paying a fortune for a replica. Yet no magic lamp genious will turn the thing into the real deal .