Mystery sabre

Yvain · 30th July 2021, 06:13 PM

Sorry for not commenting earlier in the thread, very busy week.

Again, thanks to everyone for their help ! Philip, your Cham theory is extremely interesting and I'll see if I can find more information by following this lead; nevertheless, this is a very solid proposition considering the general guom style and the muslim etchnigs.

To answer your questioning, I don't think it was ever meant to be carried, it is really long, heavy, and unbalanced. In my opinion, it was made from the start for display (be it simply for decoration or with a religious intention).

Ausjulius, I will also give a shot at the Hui theory. In any case, you are most certainly correct that this was made rather cheaply for display, most likely as a religious souvenir (though way less practical than a medal from Lourdes !).

Regarding the javanese influence, and considering the mix of different styles on this piece, I wouldn't be surprised either that the blade was etched somewhere, then mounted in another place.

kwiatek · 9th August 2021, 03:06 PM

The inscriptions are the Ayat al-Kursi, or the Throne Verse, which is Qur'an 2:255, perhaps the most frequently inscribed Qur'aicn verse. There is also an Arabic prayer beginning "O God, we ask you for well-being in religion, for bodily health etc" which is too large to give in full here and in any case it is not shown in its entirety on the photos. In large letters is the phrase

لا حول ولا قوة الا بالله

"There is no power or strength save through God"

ausjulius · 19th September 2021, 09:12 AM

https://www.medieval-shop.co.uk/blog...ans-sword.html
chinese stainless steel factory made sword of a similar style.. probably from longquan.. shape, handle . guard ect are approximately the same.

ausjulius · 19th September 2021, 10:23 AM

couldnt find much on hui swords.. but i have seen etched chinese type swords with arabic text from the hui for their martial arts performances https://freewechat.com/a/MzA3NDU5NDY0NQ==/402876671/3

30th July 2021, 06:13 PM	#1
Yvain Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: France Posts: 181	Sorry for not commenting earlier in the thread, very busy week. Again, thanks to everyone for their help ! Philip, your Cham theory is extremely interesting and I'll see if I can find more information by following this lead; nevertheless, this is a very solid proposition considering the general guom style and the muslim etchnigs. To answer your questioning, I don't think it was ever meant to be carried, it is really long, heavy, and unbalanced. In my opinion, it was made from the start for display (be it simply for decoration or with a religious intention). Ausjulius, I will also give a shot at the Hui theory. In any case, you are most certainly correct that this was made rather cheaply for display, most likely as a religious souvenir (though way less practical than a medal from Lourdes !). Regarding the javanese influence, and considering the mix of different styles on this piece, I wouldn't be surprised either that the blade was etched somewhere, then mounted in another place.

9th August 2021, 03:06 PM	#2
kwiatek Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 156	The inscriptions are the Ayat al-Kursi, or the Throne Verse, which is Qur'an 2:255, perhaps the most frequently inscribed Qur'aicn verse. There is also an Arabic prayer beginning "O God, we ask you for well-being in religion, for bodily health etc" which is too large to give in full here and in any case it is not shown in its entirety on the photos. In large letters is the phrase لا حول ولا قوة الا بالله "There is no power or strength save through God"

19th September 2021, 09:12 AM	#3
ausjulius Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: musorian territory Posts: 459	https://www.medieval-shop.co.uk/blog...ans-sword.html chinese stainless steel factory made sword of a similar style.. probably from longquan.. shape, handle . guard ect are approximately the same.

19th September 2021, 10:23 AM	#4
ausjulius Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: musorian territory Posts: 459	couldnt find much on hui swords.. but i have seen etched chinese type swords with arabic text from the hui for their martial arts performances https://freewechat.com/a/MzA3NDU5NDY0NQ==/402876671/3