ID on this dagger

Rafngard · 28th June 2021, 05:44 AM

Hello all,

I actually have a similar blade (see pics attached)

A friend and I have a theory about it.

We suspect that some how a (possibly worn) Luzon blade, from something like a Luzon bowie knife, was remounted in a Moro context.

For mine at least, it "feels" like a gunong in the hand.
I suspect this is intention.

Enjoy,
Leif

thinreadline · 28th June 2021, 11:10 PM

thanks everyone for your help , much appreciated.

Tim Simmons · 29th June 2021, 03:58 PM

The blade looks like one of those North African knives from Morocco and about I believe called Bou Saadi or Boo Sado

Kubur · 29th June 2021, 04:27 PM

Hi,
Let's agree to disagree.
Bou Saadi's blades are not like that (plus Bou Saadi are Algerians)
For me, it's more an Afghan or Indian karud type blade.
The Roman numbers at the forte are intriguing.
I like Leif's idea gunong moro hilt with foreign blade.
Clearly the blade and the hilt are a marriage.

Tim Simmons · 29th June 2021, 07:24 PM

Two marriages is bigamy.

Sajen · 14th February 2025, 11:50 PM

I stumbled upon this old thread, I strongly guess that these daggers are Cylonese.

These knives/daggers are Celoyonese mahout's daggers. See here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=lankan

RobT · 15th February 2025, 01:22 AM

Hi All,

I have a good number of Philippine Bowies but nary a one with a fuller so I don’t think that thinreadline’s blade is a repurposed Philippine Bowie. The ricasso is also not something I have ever seen on a Philippine Bowie. In addition, the hilt ferrule looks like something from Nepal or Afghanistan. I can’t recall ever having seen something like it on a Philippine knife or sword. The X (for ten) and the IV (for four) could be Roman numerals but, AFAIK, there is no plus sign (or cross) Roman numeral. It’s a pretty interesting piece. The blade would serve well on a boning knife.

Sincerely,
RobT

28th June 2021, 05:44 AM	#1
Rafngard Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Minneapolis,MN Posts: 361	Hello all, I actually have a similar blade (see pics attached) A friend and I have a theory about it. We suspect that some how a (possibly worn) Luzon blade, from something like a Luzon bowie knife, was remounted in a Moro context. For mine at least, it "feels" like a gunong in the hand. I suspect this is intention. Enjoy, Leif Attached Images

14th February 2025, 11:50 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,409	I stumbled upon this old thread, I strongly guess that these daggers are Cylonese. These knives/daggers are Celoyonese mahout's daggers. See here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=lankan Last edited by Sajen; 15th February 2025 at 01:45 PM.

15th February 2025, 01:22 AM	#7
RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 568	Not Philippine I Think Hi All, I have a good number of Philippine Bowies but nary a one with a fuller so I don’t think that thinreadline’s blade is a repurposed Philippine Bowie. The ricasso is also not something I have ever seen on a Philippine Bowie. In addition, the hilt ferrule looks like something from Nepal or Afghanistan. I can’t recall ever having seen something like it on a Philippine knife or sword. The X (for ten) and the IV (for four) could be Roman numerals but, AFAIK, there is no plus sign (or cross) Roman numeral. It’s a pretty interesting piece. The blade would serve well on a boning knife. Sincerely, RobT

28th June 2021, 11:10 PM	#2
thinreadline Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Wirral Posts: 1,204	thanks everyone for your help , much appreciated.

29th June 2021, 03:58 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,922	The blade looks like one of those North African knives from Morocco and about I believe called Bou Saadi or Boo Sado

29th June 2021, 04:27 PM	#4
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi, Let's agree to disagree. Bou Saadi's blades are not like that (plus Bou Saadi are Algerians) For me, it's more an Afghan or Indian karud type blade. The Roman numbers at the forte are intriguing. I like Leif's idea gunong moro hilt with foreign blade. Clearly the blade and the hilt are a marriage.

29th June 2021, 07:24 PM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,922	Two marriages is bigamy.