Keris Bugis Raja Gundala

Isreena · 23rd May 2006, 08:08 PM

Hello People,

Mr Lei Seh Dao,
Your earliar picture of Raja Gundolo is not a FISH? It is actually a symbol of "LAM ALIF" or "LAM JALALA". One of the Arabic letter of alphabet. I suspect that it is not tiban. It is a planned pamor. No doubt, it is indeed a very good pamor symbol in a keris.

Mr Satria,
I'm sorry but I have to agree with Ricky. The pamor Pendita you are having is not a pamor tiban. To have both side having the same looking picture made it worse to be categorized as pamor tiban. However, it is a very good effort to make the pamor to look like a Raja Gundolo.

By the way guys? What pink light are you guys talking about? The shape of the pamors have been highlighted with different colours for easy viewing.

nechesh · 23rd May 2006, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Isreena

Mr Lei Seh Dao,
Your earliar picture of Raja Gundolo is not a FISH? It is actually a symbol of "LAM ALIF" or "LAM JALALA". One of the Arabic letter of alphabet. I suspect that it is not tiban. It is a planned pamor. No doubt, it is indeed a very good pamor symbol in a keris.

I noticed this also, bit for some reason failed to comment. Martin Kerner talks about this in "Keris in the Magic World View". I think you are possibly right that this part of the pamor IS intentional. However, the "big" fish chasing it could perhaps still be considered Raja Gundolo.

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Originally Posted by Isreena

I'm sorry but I have to agree with Ricky. The pamor Pendita you are having is not a pamor tiban. To have both side having the same looking picture made it worse to be categorized as pamor tiban. However, it is a very good effort to make the pamor to look like a Raja Gundolo.

I agree here also......don't you... Ricky?

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Originally Posted by Isreena

By the way guys? What pink light are you guys talking about? The shape of the pamors have been highlighted with different colours for easy viewing.

You are right, i can now see that the "pink" color is actually from a red highlighter around the inner pamor.

You see that too....don't you Ricky?

Rick · 23rd May 2006, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by nechesh

I noticed this also, bit for some reason failed to comment. Martin Kerner talks about this in "Keris in the Magic World View". I think you are possibly right that this part of the pamor IS intentional. However, the "big" fish chasing it could perhaps still be considered Raja Gundolo.

I agree here also......don't you... Ricky?

You are right, i can now see that the "pink" color is actually from a red highlighter around the inner pamor.

You see that too....don't you Ricky?

All right Davey ; no hassling the Moderator .

Isreena the name is Rick ; not the diminutive form 'Ricky' .

As for the 'pinkness' around the pamor I can't see it cause kampung net takes forever to download on my computer and times out .

nechesh · 23rd May 2006, 10:12 PM

Ohhh Lucy!

Rick · 23rd May 2006, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by nechesh

Ohhh Lucy!

Okay buster ; it's Frederick to you from now on ........

Andrew · 23rd May 2006, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by nechesh

Ohhh Lucy!

You've got some explaining to do!

Rick · 24th May 2006, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew

You've got some explaining to do!

Just for the record (no pun) I am not a Cuban Band Leader/TV Star .

Zack_antik · 10th August 2006, 04:42 AM

Dear members

sorry removing my post and post new thread. Thanks

Andrew · 23rd May 2006, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by nechesh

You see that too....don't you Ricky?

lol!

Satria · 24th May 2006, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Isreena

Mr Satria,
I'm sorry but I have to agree with Ricky. The pamor Pendita you are having is not a pamor tiban. To have both side having the same looking picture made it worse to be categorized as pamor tiban. However, it is a very good effort to make the pamor to look like a Raja Gundolo.

Mr. Isreena...
Thank for your comment.
Actually I will not claim that pamor raja gundala ( pandita ) in that keris is original. My point is just showing the sample of pamor raja gundala....and that is not carving stuff.

I ever post that keris in this forum with question old keris or reforging keris.( please search use my name ). Some people said that keris is Pajang era, but in my opinion that keris is reforging keris from old material.
The problem is......that raja gundala pamor ( pendita ) maybe not "pamor tiban ", so maybe "pamor rekan".

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I hope you got my point.

In my opinion....original pamor raja gundala is Tiban ( unplanning ) and another people must be so easy to image the illustrate of pamor raja gundala ( ex. human, ghost, animal ).....and of course from old keris is much better

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Just for info....this is part of my collection :

http://midinakeris.fotopic.net/

thanks.

Lei Shen Dao · 24th May 2006, 01:58 PM

Mr. Isreena

Thank you for your infos.

I tryied all night to find these "letters" in the net to have a clue, although like Nechesh said it is most likely the belanak that chase the small fish to be pamor tiban (I was told that is tiban all the way though).

But I have never heard before about these kind of letters in the pamor, so I find that very very interesting and quite a new knowledge for me.

Martin Kerner's book, is there anywere to buy it?

Alam Shah · 24th May 2006, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Lei Shen Dao

Martin Kerner's book, is there anywere to buy it?

Try here...
Bookfinder (German)
http://www.bookfinder.com/german/sea...ic&st=sr&ac=qr

Note that the books are in German. For The Keris Ki Sudamala, there is a translated English version.

nechesh · 24th May 2006, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Alam Shah

Try here...
Bookfinder (German)
http://www.bookfinder.com/german/sea...ic&st=sr&ac=qr

Note that the books are in German. For The Keris Ki Sudamala, there is a translated English version.

There is also an English edition of "Keris in the Magic World View", but it is cetainly out of print. My own copy is a xeroxed version.

23rd May 2006, 08:08 PM	#1
Isreena Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 9	Raja Gundala Hello People, Mr Lei Seh Dao, Your earliar picture of Raja Gundolo is not a FISH? It is actually a symbol of "LAM ALIF" or "LAM JALALA". One of the Arabic letter of alphabet. I suspect that it is not tiban. It is a planned pamor. No doubt, it is indeed a very good pamor symbol in a keris. Mr Satria, I'm sorry but I have to agree with Ricky. The pamor Pendita you are having is not a pamor tiban. To have both side having the same looking picture made it worse to be categorized as pamor tiban. However, it is a very good effort to make the pamor to look like a Raja Gundolo. By the way guys? What pink light are you guys talking about? The shape of the pamors have been highlighted with different colours for easy viewing.

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Zack_antik Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5	Dear members sorry removing my post and post new thread. Thanks Last edited by Zack_antik; 10th August 2006 at 01:37 PM. Reason: i'm removing and post new thread.

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nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Ohhh Lucy!

24th May 2006, 01:58 PM	#11
Lei Shen Dao Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 43	Mr. Isreena Thank you for your infos. I tryied all night to find these "letters" in the net to have a clue, although like Nechesh said it is most likely the belanak that chase the small fish to be pamor tiban (I was told that is tiban all the way though). But I have never heard before about these kind of letters in the pamor, so I find that very very interesting and quite a new knowledge for me. Martin Kerner's book, is there anywere to buy it?