A sword for comments

[fernando]

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

I think a lot of misunderstanding exists in trying to establish not only types of swords as forms ... Carlos III and IV, whose markings are most often seen on these military arming swords, who seem collectively termed 'bilbo's'...

Here i go (again) Jim, with my crusade over the "BILBO" ambiguity.

(Quoting a source that i reputed as reliable at the time; i regret i don't recall whom).

"Bilbo" is an English catch-all word used to very generally refer to the Spanish "Utilitarian" cup-hilt swords, so often found all over America. They usually had a wide, _relatively_ short sturdy and well tempered blades, very practical and unadorned. The grip was more often than not wood, sometimes covered with wire.

The term comes from the Spanish Basque city of Bilbao, where a significant number of them were made and exported to the New World. In Basque that name is actually "Bilbo", although there's also a basque town by that name. I understand these swords were also sold to merchants of every european nation, including England.

The type was very popular aboard ships, where it was used on a similar role as the cutlass was among other nations. Needless to say, this sword was also used in Europe, but curiously, seem to have survived better in America. Probably because in the colonies these were better taken care of, since they were more difficult to acquire, and thus more valuable.

"Bilbo" if often misused by neophytes to refer to *any* spanish sword.

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by fernando

Here i go (again) Jim, with my crusade over the "BILBO" ambiguity.

(Quoting a source that i reputed as reliable at the time; i regret i don't recall whom).

"Bilbo" is an English catch-all word used to very generally refer to the Spanish "Utilitarian" cup-hilt swords, so often found all over America. They usually had a wide, _relatively_ short sturdy and well tempered blades, very practical and unadorned. The grip was more often than not wood, sometimes covered with wire.

The term comes from the Spanish Basque city of Bilbao, where a significant number of them were made and exported to the New World. In Basque that name is actually "Bilbo", although there's also a basque town by that name. I understand these swords were also sold to merchants of every european nation, including England.

The type was very popular aboard ships, where it was used on a similar role as the cutlass was among other nations. Needless to say, this sword was also used in Europe, but curiously, seem to have survived better in America. Probably because in the colonies these were better taken care of, since they were more difficult to acquire, and thus more valuable.

"Bilbo" if often misused by neophytes to refer to *any* spanish sword.

Not at all Fernando!!! in fact I very much look forward and hope for your erudition and clarification in these matters, which indeed the 'bilbo' term is a prevalent case. Your perfectly explained synopsis of this term truly gives perspective on yet another 'collectors term' and I thank you for these details.

Also Midelburgo, I was remiss in not thanking you for those excellent links on this subject!!! Amazing to have translation option included!!!

[fernando]

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

... in fact I very much look forward and hope for your erudition and clarification in these matters ...

I have been called many names in my life, but erudition, Jim ? You sure are pulling my leg . It was just a copy/paste operation .

[kronckew]

Originally Posted by fernando

I have been called many names in my life, but erudition, Jim ? You sure are pulling my leg . It was just a copy/paste operation .

...but you know more than most what needs to be copied and pasted.

[fernando]

Originally Posted by kronckew

...but you know more than most what needs to be copied and pasted.

Working for a free tot of port when you come over to the continent, old chum ? .

[Jim McDougall]

You're too humble Nando, as Wayne also notes. Most of my notes on Portuguese and Spanish stuff is what you've told me BEYOND whats on the pages. So again, thank you.

[fernando]

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

You're too humble Nando, as Wayne also notes. Most of my notes on Portuguese and Spanish stuff is what you've told me BEYOND whats on the pages. So again, thank you.

O.K. Jim ... no envy; your'e on for your favorite:


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