Algerian Kaybele/Ifflyssen?

Sajen · 17th October 2020, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

Doubt mine is your typical non-functional curved 'wedding nimcha' & doen't have a 'nimcha-like' grip. The wire-work is the same, but that is typical algerian.

As the ref. thread notes No. 3 is NOT a touristy wedding nimcha, but a proper 'knife'.

Hello Wayne,

It wasn't my intention to offend you in any way and my age guess was a little bit to late, mid. 20th century or before sounds better and I feel also better by it.

And I think as well that we need to remove more as 50% of all threads when we would exclude blades worked only for collecting purpose.

Attached two pictures from similar daggers, all very functional like yours.

Regards,
Detlef

kronckew · 17th October 2020, 02:40 PM

Well, we are getting closer together.

Vendor's description started off at:

dagger / saber (1) - Iron (wrought) - Second half 19th century
Indonesia
Indonesian dagger/sabre from 19th century with a beautiful drawing on the blade professionally restored.
Uniquely, this object was made by hand by an individual planner (see the irregular decorative points on the blade).

Late 19th-early 20th is OK.

Yvain · 17th October 2020, 10:39 PM

What's up with vendors claiming everything is from Indonesia ? Same thing happened to me when I bought my Agadez knife ! 😆

kronckew · 18th October 2020, 10:28 AM

Their 'experts' knowledge tends to be a bit limited, so they guess and make things up to, in their minds, enhance the sale and/or encourage the bidders... I've also seen a lot of 'Short Cavalry Swords' (brass hilted briquets) recently. Seems 'Cavalry' sells better.

I have a high status presentation Burmese dha that I 'won' on eBay for less than the postage from a lady here in the UK (so the postage was really low). I wrote to her later apologizing for not having paid enough, I was so embarrassed. She'd listed it as an Egyptian Machete. She wrote back saying she hadn't had a clue, so she asked her 'expert' son, who came up with the Egyptian thing. She also commented she was going to kill him!

(I was not embarrassed enough to pay her any more tho - Not Caveat Emptor but Cave Vendor!

)

I also have a touareg dagger that was sold to me as a 'Collectable Indian sword' But I knew it wasn't

). link: Indian?

Originally hosted on Photobucket, they started charging and obscured the photos, tho if you right click and pick 'view image' from the popup menu, you can see them OK.
At least you can in firefox.

Sajen · 18th October 2020, 10:47 AM

By wrong descriptions I've won the rarest blades!

Here one sample: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=mandaya

It was described as Sundanese arm dagger!

Sajen · 18th October 2020, 10:52 AM

This one was described from a German auction house as African bolo: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=ilongot

kronckew · 27th October 2020, 08:27 PM

Just got word from the vendor who says the item was severely damaged before shipping and the auctioneers should have not sold it as they were notified before I bid on it.

I've asked to cancel and refund my payment.

18th October 2020, 10:28 AM	#4
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	Their 'experts' knowledge tends to be a bit limited, so they guess and make things up to, in their minds, enhance the sale and/or encourage the bidders... I've also seen a lot of 'Short Cavalry Swords' (brass hilted briquets) recently. Seems 'Cavalry' sells better. I have a high status presentation Burmese dha that I 'won' on eBay for less than the postage from a lady here in the UK (so the postage was really low). I wrote to her later apologizing for not having paid enough, I was so embarrassed. She'd listed it as an Egyptian Machete. She wrote back saying she hadn't had a clue, so she asked her 'expert' son, who came up with the Egyptian thing. She also commented she was going to kill him! (I was not embarrassed enough to pay her any more tho - Not Caveat Emptor but Cave Vendor! ) I also have a touareg dagger that was sold to me as a 'Collectable Indian sword' But I knew it wasn't ). link: Indian? Originally hosted on Photobucket, they started charging and obscured the photos, tho if you right click and pick 'view image' from the popup menu, you can see them OK. At least you can in firefox. Last edited by kronckew; 18th October 2020 at 10:46 AM.

17th October 2020, 02:40 PM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	Well, we are getting closer together. Vendor's description started off at: dagger / saber (1) - Iron (wrought) - Second half 19th century Indonesia Indonesian dagger/sabre from 19th century with a beautiful drawing on the blade professionally restored. Uniquely, this object was made by hand by an individual planner (see the irregular decorative points on the blade). Late 19th-early 20th is OK.

17th October 2020, 10:39 PM	#3
Yvain Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: France Posts: 179	What's up with vendors claiming everything is from Indonesia ? Same thing happened to me when I bought my Agadez knife ! 😆

18th October 2020, 10:47 AM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,213	By wrong descriptions I've won the rarest blades! Here one sample: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=mandaya It was described as Sundanese arm dagger!

18th October 2020, 10:52 AM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,213	This one was described from a German auction house as African bolo: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=ilongot

27th October 2020, 08:27 PM	#7
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	Just got word from the vendor who says the item was severely damaged before shipping and the auctioneers should have not sold it as they were notified before I bid on it. I've asked to cancel and refund my payment.