eBay keris... are these Kraton pieces?

nechesh · 19th May 2006, 02:26 PM

Doecon, when a seller puts a tag line like "Keraton Keris" in the title of their auction they are implying, plain and simple, that the keris in question is a Keraton keris. It is the first thing the potential buyer sees and it sticks in the mind, regardless of all the side-stepping one might do in the description to cover ones rear-end. It is a sales promotion meant to entice and possibly misled, just like another recent auction i saw with the title of" Keris With a Ghost".

Can we please stop the game of semantics here?
Things like age and origin will always be a matter of speculation with keris and barring definite provenence are best left unclaimed. If you state it you are claiming it could be which is something that you can never prove so why say it?
So, if this were a Monty Python comedy sketch your best move would be just to say, "It's a fair cop" and move on.

Satria · 19th May 2006, 02:52 PM

For keris collector, "keraton keris" is perfect keris because of having the history. And keris lover will not sell "keraton keris" will start on a buck.
Keris lover will not get a piece of " keraton keris " with US$1000 ...that is for real.

Fisically.."pamengkang jagad" is "handicaped" keris. Keris maker will sell "pamengkang jagad" pieces with very cheap price because this piece is unsuccess and unperfect keris....but usually the seller make story about this pieces just for rising the value.

So, is it posible that "kraton keris" is unsuccess and unperfect keris ???

doecon · 19th May 2006, 09:53 PM

Mwhahaha

Yep, after the "handicaped" keris remark, I got indeed some inspiration for making new titles, thanks so much.

Satria, I fully understand your concern. But I will continue adding keris for a buck, bidders and buyers dont mind. Its probably the other sellers that are a bit puzzled...Right?

Nechesh, I partly agree. But In my opinion titles are simply titles. They are ment to attract the attention. "Keris with Ghost" obviously did, although the description explains the title. Same counts for Keraton Keris, the description explains what is the point. I think VVV already came to the right conclusion before, you can also sleep in a "presidential suite" without being elected

Alam, ...?

Lets move on again. I'm sure there is enough inspiration for further critizism.

Rick · 19th May 2006, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doecon

Mwhahaha

Yep, after the "handicaped" keris remark, I got indeed some inspiration for making new titles, thanks so much.

Satria, I fully understand your concern. But I will continue adding keris for a buck, bidders and buyers dont mind. Its probably the other sellers that are a bit puzzled...Right?

Nechesh, I partly agree. But In my opinion titles are simply titles. They are ment to attract the attention. "Keris with Ghost" obviously did, although the description explains the title. Same counts for Keraton Keris, the description explains what is the point. I think VVV already came to the right conclusion before, you can also sleep in a "presidential suite" without being elected

Alam, ...?

Lets move on again. I'm sure there is enough inspiration for further critizism.

I think the concern here may also be how this reflects on the Forum seeing as they are also listed in Swap .

However Caveat Emptor is the byword in any sales venue .

doecon · 19th May 2006, 11:37 PM

Omnes viae eBay ducunt

Rick · 20th May 2006, 12:40 AM

My concern remains doecon .

Alam Shah · 20th May 2006, 03:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doecon

Omnes viae eBay ducunt

Translated from Latin = "All roads lead to eBay." What does it means?

Quote:

I think VVV already came to the right conclusion before, you can also sleep in a "presidential suite" without being elected

It's not a Keraton piece, then. I think I've got my answer. Thank you doecon for your participation and explanation.

Andrew · 20th May 2006, 03:37 AM

Thank you, gentlemen, for keeping this thread civil.

I think this one has achieved critical mass. Let's move on.

19th May 2006, 02:26 PM	#1
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Doecon, when a seller puts a tag line like "Keraton Keris" in the title of their auction they are implying, plain and simple, that the keris in question is a Keraton keris. It is the first thing the potential buyer sees and it sticks in the mind, regardless of all the side-stepping one might do in the description to cover ones rear-end. It is a sales promotion meant to entice and possibly misled, just like another recent auction i saw with the title of" Keris With a Ghost". Can we please stop the game of semantics here? Things like age and origin will always be a matter of speculation with keris and barring definite provenence are best left unclaimed. If you state it you are claiming it could be which is something that you can never prove so why say it? So, if this were a Monty Python comedy sketch your best move would be just to say, "It's a fair cop" and move on.

19th May 2006, 02:52 PM	#2
Satria Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 11	For keris collector, "keraton keris" is perfect keris because of having the history. And keris lover will not sell "keraton keris" will start on a buck. Keris lover will not get a piece of " keraton keris " with US$1000 ...that is for real. Fisically.."pamengkang jagad" is "handicaped" keris. Keris maker will sell "pamengkang jagad" pieces with very cheap price because this piece is unsuccess and unperfect keris....but usually the seller make story about this pieces just for rising the value. So, is it posible that "kraton keris" is unsuccess and unperfect keris ???

19th May 2006, 09:53 PM	#3
doecon Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 63	Mwhahaha Yep, after the "handicaped" keris remark, I got indeed some inspiration for making new titles, thanks so much. Satria, I fully understand your concern. But I will continue adding keris for a buck, bidders and buyers dont mind. Its probably the other sellers that are a bit puzzled...Right? Nechesh, I partly agree. But In my opinion titles are simply titles. They are ment to attract the attention. "Keris with Ghost" obviously did, although the description explains the title. Same counts for Keraton Keris, the description explains what is the point. I think VVV already came to the right conclusion before, you can also sleep in a "presidential suite" without being elected Alam, ...? Lets move on again. I'm sure there is enough inspiration for further critizism.

19th May 2006, 11:37 PM	#5
doecon Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 63	Omnes viae eBay ducunt

20th May 2006, 12:40 AM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	My concern remains doecon .

20th May 2006, 03:37 AM	#8
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	Thank you, gentlemen, for keeping this thread civil. I think this one has achieved critical mass. Let's move on.