eBay keris... are these Kraton pieces?

doecon · 19th May 2006, 06:59 AM

Pangeran, thanks. actually the quote about madura hilts was intresting as well

Alam, Answering the question whether the keris are used in the keraton or not, would probably add another assumption to your list. I think the description itself is pretty clear already.

And of course everthing which is not a known fact is an assumption, some assumptions are however more acurate then others.

Alam Shah · 19th May 2006, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by doecon

Alam, Answering the question whether the keris are used in the keraton or not, would probably add another assumption to your list. I think the description itself is pretty clear already.

And of course everthing which is not a known fact is an assumption, some assumptions are however more acurate then others.

Hi doecon,
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Therefore, what you're saying is that, these are Yogyakarta's Keraton and Palace Guard pieces... Hmmm, interesting.

nechesh · 19th May 2006, 02:26 PM

Doecon, when a seller puts a tag line like "Keraton Keris" in the title of their auction they are implying, plain and simple, that the keris in question is a Keraton keris. It is the first thing the potential buyer sees and it sticks in the mind, regardless of all the side-stepping one might do in the description to cover ones rear-end. It is a sales promotion meant to entice and possibly misled, just like another recent auction i saw with the title of" Keris With a Ghost".

Can we please stop the game of semantics here?
Things like age and origin will always be a matter of speculation with keris and barring definite provenence are best left unclaimed. If you state it you are claiming it could be which is something that you can never prove so why say it?
So, if this were a Monty Python comedy sketch your best move would be just to say, "It's a fair cop" and move on.

Satria · 19th May 2006, 02:52 PM

For keris collector, "keraton keris" is perfect keris because of having the history. And keris lover will not sell "keraton keris" will start on a buck.
Keris lover will not get a piece of " keraton keris " with US$1000 ...that is for real.

Fisically.."pamengkang jagad" is "handicaped" keris. Keris maker will sell "pamengkang jagad" pieces with very cheap price because this piece is unsuccess and unperfect keris....but usually the seller make story about this pieces just for rising the value.

So, is it posible that "kraton keris" is unsuccess and unperfect keris ???

doecon · 19th May 2006, 09:53 PM

Mwhahaha

Yep, after the "handicaped" keris remark, I got indeed some inspiration for making new titles, thanks so much.

Satria, I fully understand your concern. But I will continue adding keris for a buck, bidders and buyers dont mind. Its probably the other sellers that are a bit puzzled...Right?

Nechesh, I partly agree. But In my opinion titles are simply titles. They are ment to attract the attention. "Keris with Ghost" obviously did, although the description explains the title. Same counts for Keraton Keris, the description explains what is the point. I think VVV already came to the right conclusion before, you can also sleep in a "presidential suite" without being elected

Alam, ...?

Lets move on again. I'm sure there is enough inspiration for further critizism.

Rick · 19th May 2006, 10:33 PM