Announcing "History of Steel in East Asia"

Andrew · 15th May 2006, 03:49 AM

I am so proud to be a part of this important exhibition, Antonio. Thank you for your vision and perserverence.

Antonio Cejunior · 15th May 2006, 11:16 AM

Hello Andrew,

The pleasure and honor is all mine Andrew.

Thank you for the trust and about perseverence... well, my wife would tell you that whenever I get into something, I'll be nagging and nagging until I achieve
it

.

Seriously, all I did was to convince the knowledgeble ones to participate and that was not difficult. You and everyone else has bestowed in me your trust for which I am really honored.

Very best,

Antonio

ariel · 1st June 2006, 10:56 PM

Any idea when the catalogue will become available for purchase?
I REALLY!!! want it!

Antonio Cejunior · 2nd June 2006, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

Any idea when the catalogue will become available for purchase?
I REALLY!!! want it!

I cannot tell you right now.
There are almost 300 pictures whose background must be treated one by one in order to present a great photograph.
All the texts are translated and ready. Then it is importing the text and photos and organizing it all.
I hope that the more interest is shown directly to the museum, the more it will help to understand that this exhibition's catalogue is strongly sought after internationally.
It all has to do with the number of people deployed to retouch the photographs which is not an easy task...

ariel · 2nd June 2006, 11:31 PM

Antonio,
I can only imagine the amount of work!
People told you many times already how much they admired your perseverance and enthusiasm; always, you managed to sound gracious and self-deprecating and to deflect the compliments to others. No doubt, their contribution was of immense value and should be appreciated.
But nobody deserves higher praise than you.
So, for once, keep quiet, do not respond, pour youself a glass of something good and drink it.
This is my toast to you!

Antonio Cejunior · 3rd June 2006, 02:16 AM

Ariel,

Yes, they work very very hard.
Interesting enough it may be called or perceived perseverance and enthusiasm, yet I see it as doing what I believe is right. I know well that I don't possess the truth, so I just do what I believe after a long time of maturation.
It is morning here, so before I continue, a toast back with my second cup of coffee

It is strange that I avoid praise. It is not because I am better than others. It is the fact that - while I thank you for your kind words - I think that I am just in transit, like we all are, in this life. For this reason, it is not of any use for me to be full of myself.
If it were not for all the generous people from this Forum who so generously shared their possessions, sending them halfway around the world, trusting (and this is a sublime act) my word, the exhibition would have not happened.

Now, when the catalogue is carefully proof-read in its final stages, when all photographs are imported into the design programme, a unique publication will be born that will last for as long as people want it, proving that weapons can be a source of Peace, of Generosity, of Globalized Cooperation, and of shared knowledge. I never procclaim anything. I have always put my work where my mouth is, also because I don't believe in Educating and Enlightening anyone, because only a pityful ignorant can think of such a task can be done by others.
It reminds me of anyone liberating someone else. One Educates oneself and that is already an enormous task. How can anyone liberate me from my own faults? Buddha attained Enlightment through his own means.

Since I dare to consider myself just half ignorant, I dare not take praise, because that would make me run the risk of falling into the sin of thinking I am somebody, when my aim is to one day reach the end of the journey in simplicity.
That's why you shouldn't praise me. You'll end up with a rant and a half for free

Bless you

wilked aka Khun Deng · 29th July 2006, 04:11 AM

Just back from vacation and I had to let you all know what a phenominal job Antonio did with the exihibit. One afternoon was definately not enough. The way he grouped and displayed the swords was all you could ask for. From the lighting to the sequencing and even the informatiojn supplied the focus remained on the skill, craftsmanship and historical value of these wonderful pieces.

And this post would not be complete without mention of what an incredible host Antonio was. Even though he arrived home from an unschedlued business trip two hours after I arrived in town and with his wife not feeling well, he still made it a point to meet us and give us a personally guided tour of the exihibit (of course he made me wait till the end to view the Dha exihibit- crafty way of building the suspense Antonio). Not only delightful company, but very educational as well. My first time in Macau and it was clear throughout the visit the love Antonio has for his home country, Macau, and his work of preserving and educating those everywhere of their history and especially his love of swords. My wife and I thank you for a wonderful day.

To those of you who donated pieces to this exihibit I thank you. They are in good hands and expertly displayed to catch all the nuances of each piece.

The trip has put me in a quandry though - I only collect from places I have been. Now that I have been to China even for a weekend does that qualify as long enough to collect pieces from there? ----well maybe just one Jian or Dao....

wolviex · 28th August 2006, 06:45 PM

And I remember how someone of you here in Forum repremended me about writing on the weapon. It's not beautiful (however you can always wash it out in need) but thank's to inventory numbers on the piece you never get wrong with anything.

PS. Of course I don't want to sound sapiently - no way - it's just practical thought

.

Spunjer · 29th August 2006, 12:36 AM

since i'm not getting any response on my email, i would like to know who recieved my visayan sundang and tenegre. as for the damaged scabbard, will fedex pay for it then?

Andrew · 29th August 2006, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunjer

since i'm not getting any response on my email, i would like to know who recieved my visayan sundang and tenegre. as for the damaged scabbard, will fedex pay for it then?

Ron, it may be me. I've been preparing for trial and, now, for another hurricane. I'll open my boxes up tonight and let you know if I've got your stuff.

Ian · 29th August 2006, 04:33 AM

Ron:

Could be me too. I still have not opened mine -- too much work stuff and family business.

Ian.

Antonio Cejunior · 29th August 2006, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunjer

since i'm not getting any response on my email, i would like to know who recieved my visayan sundang and tenegre. as for the damaged scabbard, will fedex pay for it then?

Hi Ron,
Just arrived back in Macau 2 hours ago and allow me clarify one thing

I received your email just about the time I was leaving, so had no time to reply.
So later I made a general post above, apologizing.

Second, one of the most important practices is to immediately show a picture or a set of pictures of the damage caused.

I made sure I left after a period long enough for everyone to receive the pieces.

Pardon me, but we have at least two lawyers here and you all know that you cannot place a claim in a forum or by email by just stating it. You have to prove it, show the damage, the before and the after.
Then insurance prescribes. It does not last forever.

I am very sorry for what happened to you, and am thankful that Mark spoke from his first hand experience. Like what Mark describes, I am absolutely sure that the staff had everything under full control and the boxes and the references and all that.
No Museum staff wants to get problems, and here we do want to take pride in what we do

My suggestion is that Mark and Andrew as lawyers, will possibly confirm that without photographic evidence, formal information, there will be no FedEx or Insurance that will accept any claim, specially when the insurance prescribed.

You see, we do our very best, but the moment you receive the boxes and don't verify the contents, then technically it is impossible to place a claim, and the longer the time, the more impossible.

Far from trying to wash my/our hands I am trying to explain in here so everyone understands. I am most grateful and just because the exhibition has ended does not mean I wash my hands. Not the kind of thing I do.

What I want to say is please post detailed pictures of the damage and the only thing I can offer you, is an attempt of reconstruction from our restoration department after talking to the Museum Director.

Best,

Mark · 29th August 2006, 04:54 PM

Posting photos and such here isn't really going to do the job.

I think the best way to handle damage is, as Antonio has suggested, taking detailed photos of the damage. You have the "before" photos available, of course, in the form of the Museum catalogue photos.

Then, you should write a letter to the Museum explaining and describing the damage, and including the photographs, so that the Museum (which bought the insurance) can file a claim. They will also need an estimation of the damage value. Since the item was not completely destroyed or lost, this would be the loss of market value due to the damage. Often insurance companies require additional evidence or explanation, but those basics should get the ball rolling.

While this forum is a convenient place in which to communicate quickly, it really isn't the place to resolve this issue, so I urge everyone to shift to direct communication for these "business" matters.

Spunjer · 30th August 2006, 02:42 AM

Quote:

"Second, one of the most important practices is to immediately show a picture or a set of pictures of the damage caused.

I made sure I left after a period long enough for everyone to receive the pieces.

Pardon me, but we have at least two lawyers here and you all know that you cannot place a claim in a forum or by email by just stating it. You have to prove it, show the damage, the before and the after.
Then insurance prescribes. It does not last forever.

that is why i emailed you directly, antonio. i even mention to you that pictures will be provided, but i did not get any response from you. i'm not a lawyer and i do not know what do do and steps to take. and you also said:

Quote:

You see, we do our very best, but the moment you receive the boxes and don't verify the contents, then technically it is impossible to place a claim, and the longer the time, the more impossible.

you see, i did not know that because i did not get any response from you. maybe if you could've given me an address right away, or who to talk to, or who to email to, i would have done that ASAP (as soon as possible), with the pictures provided.

so:

1) i have the pictures
2) who can i email to
3) what do i need to do, or is it too late

i understand that you have an impeccable crew, but somewhere down the line, the scabbard was saran wrapped tightly causing the sampil, or throat of the scabbard to crush, and the side of the scabbard to splinter. the bottom line is, the scabbard is SNAFU. i just wanna know what do i need to do, or do i just take this as a loss.
ron

Antonio Cejunior · 30th August 2006, 04:45 AM

Hi Ron,

As suggested by Mark I am replying to you in private.
Thank you

3rd June 2006, 02:16 AM	#6
Antonio Cejunior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Macau Posts: 294	TOAST? BREAD! Ariel, Yes, they work very very hard. Interesting enough it may be called or perceived perseverance and enthusiasm, yet I see it as doing what I believe is right. I know well that I don't possess the truth, so I just do what I believe after a long time of maturation. It is morning here, so before I continue, a toast back with my second cup of coffee It is strange that I avoid praise. It is not because I am better than others. It is the fact that - while I thank you for your kind words - I think that I am just in transit, like we all are, in this life. For this reason, it is not of any use for me to be full of myself. If it were not for all the generous people from this Forum who so generously shared their possessions, sending them halfway around the world, trusting (and this is a sublime act) my word, the exhibition would have not happened. Now, when the catalogue is carefully proof-read in its final stages, when all photographs are imported into the design programme, a unique publication will be born that will last for as long as people want it, proving that weapons can be a source of Peace, of Generosity, of Globalized Cooperation, and of shared knowledge. I never procclaim anything. I have always put my work where my mouth is, also because I don't believe in Educating and Enlightening anyone, because only a pityful ignorant can think of such a task can be done by others. It reminds me of anyone liberating someone else. One Educates oneself and that is already an enormous task. How can anyone liberate me from my own faults? Buddha attained Enlightment through his own means. Since I dare to consider myself just half ignorant, I dare not take praise, because that would make me run the risk of falling into the sin of thinking I am somebody, when my aim is to one day reach the end of the journey in simplicity. That's why you shouldn't praise me. You'll end up with a rant and a half for free Bless you

29th July 2006, 04:11 AM	#7
wilked aka Khun Deng Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oahu, Hawaii Posts: 166	What a visit! Just back from vacation and I had to let you all know what a phenominal job Antonio did with the exihibit. One afternoon was definately not enough. The way he grouped and displayed the swords was all you could ask for. From the lighting to the sequencing and even the informatiojn supplied the focus remained on the skill, craftsmanship and historical value of these wonderful pieces. And this post would not be complete without mention of what an incredible host Antonio was. Even though he arrived home from an unschedlued business trip two hours after I arrived in town and with his wife not feeling well, he still made it a point to meet us and give us a personally guided tour of the exihibit (of course he made me wait till the end to view the Dha exihibit- crafty way of building the suspense Antonio). Not only delightful company, but very educational as well. My first time in Macau and it was clear throughout the visit the love Antonio has for his home country, Macau, and his work of preserving and educating those everywhere of their history and especially his love of swords. My wife and I thank you for a wonderful day. To those of you who donated pieces to this exihibit I thank you. They are in good hands and expertly displayed to catch all the nuances of each piece. The trip has put me in a quandry though - I only collect from places I have been. Now that I have been to China even for a weekend does that qualify as long enough to collect pieces from there? ----well maybe just one Jian or Dao....

28th August 2006, 06:45 PM	#8
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	And I remember how someone of you here in Forum repremended me about writing on the weapon. It's not beautiful (however you can always wash it out in need) but thank's to inventory numbers on the piece you never get wrong with anything. PS. Of course I don't want to sound sapiently - no way - it's just practical thought . Last edited by wolviex; 28th August 2006 at 09:07 PM.

15th May 2006, 03:49 AM	#1
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	I am so proud to be a part of this important exhibition, Antonio. Thank you for your vision and perserverence.

15th May 2006, 11:16 AM	#2
Antonio Cejunior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Macau Posts: 294	Hello Andrew, The pleasure and honor is all mine Andrew. Thank you for the trust and about perseverence... well, my wife would tell you that whenever I get into something, I'll be nagging and nagging until I achieve it . Seriously, all I did was to convince the knowledgeble ones to participate and that was not difficult. You and everyone else has bestowed in me your trust for which I am really honored. Very best, Antonio

1st June 2006, 10:56 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Any idea when the catalogue will become available for purchase? I REALLY!!! want it!

2nd June 2006, 11:31 PM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Antonio, I can only imagine the amount of work! People told you many times already how much they admired your perseverance and enthusiasm; always, you managed to sound gracious and self-deprecating and to deflect the compliments to others. No doubt, their contribution was of immense value and should be appreciated. But nobody deserves higher praise than you. So, for once, keep quiet, do not respond, pour youself a glass of something good and drink it. This is my toast to you!

29th August 2006, 12:36 AM	#9
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	since i'm not getting any response on my email, i would like to know who recieved my visayan sundang and tenegre. as for the damaged scabbard, will fedex pay for it then?

29th August 2006, 04:33 AM	#11
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,399	Ron: Could be me too. I still have not opened mine -- too much work stuff and family business. Ian.

29th August 2006, 04:54 PM	#13
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	Posting photos and such here isn't really going to do the job. I think the best way to handle damage is, as Antonio has suggested, taking detailed photos of the damage. You have the "before" photos available, of course, in the form of the Museum catalogue photos. Then, you should write a letter to the Museum explaining and describing the damage, and including the photographs, so that the Museum (which bought the insurance) can file a claim. They will also need an estimation of the damage value. Since the item was not completely destroyed or lost, this would be the loss of market value due to the damage. Often insurance companies require additional evidence or explanation, but those basics should get the ball rolling. While this forum is a convenient place in which to communicate quickly, it really isn't the place to resolve this issue, so I urge everyone to shift to direct communication for these "business" matters.

30th August 2006, 04:45 AM	#15
Antonio Cejunior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Macau Posts: 294	Hi Ron, As suggested by Mark I am replying to you in private. Thank you