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Old 5th March 2020, 09:36 AM   #1
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Thanks again for the clarification, Xas. So we have the Tinguian/Kalinga forms (head axes, spears) that are produced locally plus the imported Ilocos Norte knives shown in the figures of Cole. The distinction between the blunt ended knives and swords from the various areas is rather subtle. This is making more sense now.

Which means that the knives shown with choils are Ilokano, but from Ilocos Norte. Correct?

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Old 5th March 2020, 10:25 PM   #2
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Not exclusively Ilokano, I would like to think. There's a time period wherein the Apalit pandays fancied that hilt work too. Although theirs usually had a sun at the hilt base, especially for the fancier weapons

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Thanks again for the clarification, Xas. So we have the Tinguian/Kalinga forms (head axes, spears) that are produced locally plus the imported Ilocos Norte knives shown in the figures of Cole. The distinction between the blunt ended knives and swords from the various areas is rather subtle. This is making more sense now.

Which means that the knives shown with choils are Ilokano, but from Ilocos Norte. Correct?

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Old 6th March 2020, 03:10 AM   #3
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Battara,

Thanks for the clarification. I rather suspected that the tight ganja was a structural improvement over the earlier style. For the dagger sized Indonesian keris which was a point weapon, the entirely separate (and often rather loosely attached) ganja didn't matter too much because the blade would be subjected to fairly low torque but for the cut and thrust sword sized Philippine kris, torque would be an important issue. I have a feeling that the one piece baca baca is also an improvement over the older two piece type. By the way, one of the tight ganja kris I have shows lamination running perpendicular to the blade.

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Old 6th March 2020, 05:03 AM   #4
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Glad to be of some small help.
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