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|  2nd March 2020, 06:07 PM | #12 | 
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			Here is another one:  Albrecht Durer " Peasants at the market", 1519. Well before birth of Shah Abbas I the Ottomans took Constantinople, occupied Belgrade and large part of Hungary, had 2 attacks of Vienna, fought at Castelnuovo, Lepanto, Djerba, Malta, Nice and Corsica etc, etc. In short, Europe must have been acquainted with karabelas well before Abbas could have visited Karbala . The biggest problems of sloppy researchers are their neglect of historiography and enchantment with their own biased "revolutionary" hypotheses. Last edited by ariel; 2nd March 2020 at 06:29 PM. | 
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