Tortuga

fernando · 23rd February 2020, 05:44 PM

Tortuga ???

VIVA A NOSSA RAÍNHA DE PORTUGAL

God save our queen of Portugal.

urbanspaceman · 23rd February 2020, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by fernando

Tortuga ???

VIVA A NOSSA RAÍNHA DE PORTUGAL

God save our queen of Portugal.

Now that is sending me back to the blade with a powerful magnifying glass Fernando; it may very well be the case.

No, it is definitely TORTUGA

That was close... I had not seen the similarity; except, you don't call it Portugal in Portuguese do you.
I've been in Lisbon quite a lot recently... one of my favourite cities.

urbanspaceman · 23rd February 2020, 05:58 PM

I see you have written it as VIVA A NOSA as opposed to VIVA xxx ONOSA; what is the difference? Is it an archaic spelling?

fernando · 23rd February 2020, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by urbanspaceman

I see you have written it as VIVA A NOSA as opposed to VIVA xxx ONOSA; what is the difference? Is it an archaic spelling?

No, no archaic in here; only trying to make words thst make sense, based on the common illiteracy of the blade smiths; with a further confucion caused by the siad smiths inscribing enticing phrases in blades to better sell them.
On the one hand, RAÍNHA call only be a Portuguese word, reason why i made it NOSSA, as also it could only be Portuguese; neither being spelled like that in Spanish ( REINA and NUESTRA). On the other hand, TORTUGA is Spanish for Turtle, the shape of the island looking by a swimming one when observed from Hispaniola. The Portuguese are not related with Tortuga; the Spaniards are ... and there was no Portuguese queen by then.
So you can take a pick. I would go for some (German) smith rehearsing some smart appeal in a marketing operation.

urbanspaceman · 23rd February 2020, 07:58 PM

Point taken re. illiteracy Fernando.
Equally, using any method possible to add value to the blade was common indeed.
However, assigning a Portuguese queen to Tortuga does not do it - because if it means anything to the customer, then it must also mean it is fabrication.
This is not really a typical battlefield blade, or a maritime one either; it is a civilian weapon or possibly an officer's court sword... even before the re-hilt, and I suspect either would be aware there was no Portuguese queen of Tortuga.
No, I'm afraid I remain very puzzled so far.

bvieira · 23rd February 2020, 07:58 PM

Hello,

Another Portuguese here, I amplified your photos and I read the same thing "Portugal" with no doubt! The queen for the type of sword refers to queen Maria I of Portugal.

Regards,

Bv

urbanspaceman · 23rd February 2020, 08:22 PM

Hey Folks, I stand corrected and I am no longer confused: it is Portugal.
Well now, that problem is solved.
Is it Maria 1st, or 2nd?
The blade seems 1st but the hilt 2nd. Perhaps it was an heirloom passed down then re-hilted.
Wow...!
Thank-you Folks... Tortuga just did not make sense on any level.

bvieira · 23rd February 2020, 08:28 PM

I told you so!

kronckew · 23rd February 2020, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by urbanspaceman

Now that is sending me back to the blade with a powerful magnifying glass Fernando; it may very well be the case.

No, it is definitely TORTUGA

That was close... I had not seen the similarity; except, you don't call it Portugal in Portuguese do you.
I've been in Lisbon quite a lot recently... one of my favourite cities.

They call it 'Portugal'

Named after the City of Porto in the Galicia area. Rather nice city, known for excellent wine, food and Fernando. The Duoro river valley is cool. Lisbon is also a great oplace. loved it. Much better than the Al-Garve (Faro) tourist traps.

urbanspaceman · 23rd February 2020, 06:28 PM

That has to be unique: the world calling a country by its proper name.
I would not have believed it.
I must have seen a million references to it in all the time I have been in Lisbon recently but I guess I just assumed it was a tourist affectation.

23rd February 2020, 05:44 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	What have you guys been drinking ? Tortuga ??? VIVA A NOSSA RAÍNHA DE PORTUGAL God save our queen of Portugal.

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urbanspaceman Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Tyneside. North-East England Posts: 722	spelling I see you have written it as VIVA A NOSA as opposed to VIVA xxx ONOSA; what is the difference? Is it an archaic spelling?

23rd February 2020, 07:58 PM	#5
urbanspaceman Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Tyneside. North-East England Posts: 722	Marketing Point taken re. illiteracy Fernando. Equally, using any method possible to add value to the blade was common indeed. However, assigning a Portuguese queen to Tortuga does not do it - because if it means anything to the customer, then it must also mean it is fabrication. This is not really a typical battlefield blade, or a maritime one either; it is a civilian weapon or possibly an officer's court sword... even before the re-hilt, and I suspect either would be aware there was no Portuguese queen of Tortuga. No, I'm afraid I remain very puzzled so far.

23rd February 2020, 08:22 PM	#7
urbanspaceman Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Tyneside. North-East England Posts: 722	Eyesight Hey Folks, I stand corrected and I am no longer confused: it is Portugal. Well now, that problem is solved. Is it Maria 1st, or 2nd? The blade seems 1st but the hilt 2nd. Perhaps it was an heirloom passed down then re-hilted. Wow...! Thank-you Folks... Tortuga just did not make sense on any level.

23rd February 2020, 08:28 PM	#8
bvieira Member Join Date: Jul 2018 Posts: 108	I told you so! Attached Images

23rd February 2020, 06:28 PM	#10
urbanspaceman Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Tyneside. North-East England Posts: 722	what's in a name That has to be unique: the world calling a country by its proper name. I would not have believed it. I must have seen a million references to it in all the time I have been in Lisbon recently but I guess I just assumed it was a tourist affectation.