Tortuga

urbanspaceman · 22nd February 2020, 11:55 PM

Thanks David; old friends; fond memories.

kronckew · 23rd February 2020, 12:41 PM

Anne Dieu-leVeut of Tortuga, 1660-1710, a Pirate Queen?

urbanspaceman · 23rd February 2020, 03:35 PM

Thank-you very much for this; I certainly never found it, despite endless searching online.
I've now read a few Google entries on this lassie: great stuff - a true Boys' Own adventure story personified... for girls. I always felt Geena Davis was a myth too far, but perhaps I was wrong; very easy on the eye though.
So, what does everyone think? (Of the blade - not Geena Davis.)
Main problem: where does Portuguese come into it?
Obviously it is not one of her blades, although it is a mite short for a trans' rap': 32inches compared to a similar style and period trans' rap' I own (also re-hilted - I think: see pic) which is 39inches.
Of course, if it was for maritime use, then the shorter length is virtually obligatory.
Does anyone recognize what is left of the maker mark; and the letter R? First glance I thought the Wundes family, but closer examination and out-referencing (Jim McDougall) proved it is much more likely the top of a shield.
Exciting stuff this!

kronckew · 23rd February 2020, 06:30 PM

There have been a number of female pirates over the centuries. See also

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_piracy

Some are better looking than Geena. Have always thought she looks a bit odd.

Have not looked into tranny or drag queen pirates. their personal recreational habits, other than sharp pointy metal things, are non of my business.

fernando · 23rd February 2020, 06:44 PM

Tortuga ???

VIVA A NOSSA RAÍNHA DE PORTUGAL

God save our queen of Portugal.

urbanspaceman · 23rd February 2020, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

Tortuga ???

VIVA A NOSSA RAÍNHA DE PORTUGAL

God save our queen of Portugal.

Now that is sending me back to the blade with a powerful magnifying glass Fernando; it may very well be the case.

No, it is definitely TORTUGA

That was close... I had not seen the similarity; except, you don't call it Portugal in Portuguese do you.
I've been in Lisbon quite a lot recently... one of my favourite cities.

urbanspaceman · 23rd February 2020, 06:58 PM

I see you have written it as VIVA A NOSA as opposed to VIVA xxx ONOSA; what is the difference? Is it an archaic spelling?

kronckew · 23rd February 2020, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by urbanspaceman

Now that is sending me back to the blade with a powerful magnifying glass Fernando; it may very well be the case.

No, it is definitely TORTUGA

That was close... I had not seen the similarity; except, you don't call it Portugal in Portuguese do you.
I've been in Lisbon quite a lot recently... one of my favourite cities.

They call it 'Portugal'

Named after the City of Porto in the Galicia area. Rather nice city, known for excellent wine, food and Fernando. The Duoro river valley is cool. Lisbon is also a great oplace. loved it. Much better than the Al-Garve (Faro) tourist traps.

urbanspaceman · 23rd February 2020, 06:49 PM

I think, as much fun as it is to explore this topic, there are two factors that remain unaccounted-for: one is 'Queen' of Tortuga; the other is 'Portuguese'.
This is where I grind to a halt.
The re-hilting of this blade indicates a degree of reputation I feel; anything mundane would indicate a simple 'make do and mend' approach that was common amongst pirates or sundry militia, but a silver hilt such as this speaks of value.
This style of hilt is late 1800s right?
Here's a question I have wanted an answer to for some time now:
can deeply embossed script be put into an old blade?

22nd February 2020, 11:55 PM	#1
urbanspaceman Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Tyneside. North-East England Posts: 722	Legs and Co Thanks David; old friends; fond memories.

23rd February 2020, 03:35 PM	#3
urbanspaceman Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Tyneside. North-East England Posts: 722	what God wants Thank-you very much for this; I certainly never found it, despite endless searching online. I've now read a few Google entries on this lassie: great stuff - a true Boys' Own adventure story personified... for girls. I always felt Geena Davis was a myth too far, but perhaps I was wrong; very easy on the eye though. So, what does everyone think? (Of the blade - not Geena Davis.) Main problem: where does Portuguese come into it? Obviously it is not one of her blades, although it is a mite short for a trans' rap': 32inches compared to a similar style and period trans' rap' I own (also re-hilted - I think: see pic) which is 39inches. Of course, if it was for maritime use, then the shorter length is virtually obligatory. Does anyone recognize what is left of the maker mark; and the letter R? First glance I thought the Wundes family, but closer examination and out-referencing (Jim McDougall) proved it is much more likely the top of a shield. Exciting stuff this! Attached Images

23rd February 2020, 06:44 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	What have you guys been drinking ? Tortuga ??? VIVA A NOSSA RAÍNHA DE PORTUGAL God save our queen of Portugal.

23rd February 2020, 06:58 PM	#7
urbanspaceman Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Tyneside. North-East England Posts: 722	spelling I see you have written it as VIVA A NOSA as opposed to VIVA xxx ONOSA; what is the difference? Is it an archaic spelling?

23rd February 2020, 06:49 PM	#9
urbanspaceman Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Tyneside. North-East England Posts: 722	Queen I think, as much fun as it is to explore this topic, there are two factors that remain unaccounted-for: one is 'Queen' of Tortuga; the other is 'Portuguese'. This is where I grind to a halt. The re-hilting of this blade indicates a degree of reputation I feel; anything mundane would indicate a simple 'make do and mend' approach that was common amongst pirates or sundry militia, but a silver hilt such as this speaks of value. This style of hilt is late 1800s right? Here's a question I have wanted an answer to for some time now: can deeply embossed script be put into an old blade?

23rd February 2020, 12:41 PM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,259	Anne Dieu-leVeut of Tortuga, 1660-1710, a Pirate Queen?

23rd February 2020, 06:30 PM	#4
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,259	There have been a number of female pirates over the centuries. See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_piracy Some are better looking than Geena. Have always thought she looks a bit odd. Have not looked into tranny or drag queen pirates. their personal recreational habits, other than sharp pointy metal things, are non of my business.