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21st February 2020, 06:57 AM
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Hello Apolaki,
You pretty much guessed it: A recent production of limited quality. The hilt is of lesser quality - there are far worse examples though, especially those pseudo-Bali nightmares produced on Java... The decor on the uwer is certainly glass; the large ones on the base of the hilt will be locally produced paste (basically glass) commonly utilized on genuine Bali hilts. The dark red cabochons on the hilt will in all likelihood be glass, too. Blade is poor as is the recent scabbard. Regards, Kai |
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21st February 2020, 07:47 AM
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i like this Balinese hilt
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21st February 2020, 02:32 PM
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The Bayu style hilt is of standard quality, not so good but not so bad IMO.
The old blade seems to miss its gonjo, and the recent scabbard is in approximate serengatan style. Regards |
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21st February 2020, 10:49 PM
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Hi Jean, how old do you think the blade is and is there a name for the shape and style?
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21st February 2020, 11:01 PM
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Anyway, the only available moniker would be "out-of-pakem"...  With low quality blades, it does not make sense to try to fathom dhapur or traditional naming conventions since there probably never were any, sorry. Regards, Kai |
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22nd February 2020, 09:48 AM
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I agree with Kai about the low quality of the blade but I enlarged the pic of the base of the blade (sorsoran) and it seems that the pejetan (cavity on the gandik side of the blade) extends to the bottom of the blade, which is an indication that the ganja is missing. Apolaki, is it the case? Regards |
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22nd February 2020, 03:33 PM
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I'm with Jean on this one. I believe that this keris is indeed missing its gonjo.
From these photographs i cannot tell if this is a Balinese blade. It does look a bit short and has no obvious distinguishing features that would mark it as Balinese in origin. I also think that the hilt that is perhaps on the low end of middle quality for this type. Definitely contemporary and not made for a person of any particular standing, but much worse examples of this style exist for sure. Noting that the "stones" are glass or paste is not, as has been pointed out on this forum numerous times, necessarily a mark of poor quality. In Bali pastes and glass "stones" often appear on high quality dress. I would image there is a strong likelihood that this is a dealer special. An old, incomplete blade in poor condition matched with a semi-fancy hilt and placed in a recently carve formal style sarong that is not particularly executed well. |
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23rd February 2020, 05:10 AM
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Hi Jean. Here are photos of the blade I just cleaned.
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21st February 2020, 05:14 PM
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Hi, Is this a Javanese "nightmare" version?
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21st February 2020, 06:33 PM
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Looks more like low quality Bali to me (from the single pic).
The Java version tends to be worse - or really much worse...  Regards, Kai |
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21st February 2020, 07:09 PM
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Oh I see. Do you have an example photo of Javanese version of these Balinese hilts?
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21st February 2020, 10:38 PM
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no because these Javanese (...not Javanese but, IMO, wooden Madura hilts with Bali patterns) do not deserve to be bought or photographed
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21st February 2020, 10:56 PM
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I wasn't referring to those wooden free-style hilts, Marco.
 I meant the "golden/jewelled" brass-clad hilts produced near Yogya.  However, I also don't have any pic handy - maybe we should start a hall of shame...Regards, Kai |
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22nd February 2020, 04:02 PM
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Hi Marco and Kai, is this the wooden style hilts being referred to? Is it a Balinese or Javanese/Madura craft in the style of Balinese?
And Jean, I will get to the other questions about the ganja as soon as possible. I am cleaning the blade. It looks like someone took an electric grinder to it because there are striation marks throughout. It is currently bathing in a less than 5% vinegar & water solution. (Incidently, I really fear I messed up cleaning a moro kris using just straight 5% vinegar, so I am really cautious using vinegar now). Quote:
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