17th century Low countries crossbow with windlass

cornelistromp · 20th February 2020, 01:21 PM

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this target crossbow is for practicing, on a crossbow shooting range.
Those shooting ranges (Doelen) stems from the training grounds for the dutch militia. probably founded in the 14thc onwards.

Militia/civic guards as seen on Rembrandt's masterpiece the night watch.
There were seperate Doelen for crossbows, for the longbow archery, and for matchlock firearms/muskets.

These civic guards were established probably between the 11th and 13th centuriy. The first archers' guilds "sheltered" the bourgeoisie, but their duties were later expanded with the defense of walls and canals.

From the 16th century the guild lost its military function, but it continued to exist as a relaxation shooting club for the elite.

best,
Jasper

corrado26 · 20th February 2020, 02:24 PM

............and here a further piece of the Netherlands
corrado26

Marcus den toom · 20th February 2020, 02:47 PM

Thank you all so much, its an even more interesting piece than my own research had panned out.
No markings as far as i can decern.
Does anyone know what rope would be best to replace this flimsy one?

And though i believe you (Jasper) on the dating i am curious to know the (stylistic) differences between a 17and 18th century bow of this type.

fernando · 20th February 2020, 02:58 PM

Marcus, you may as well visit the Königlichen Niederländischen Armeemuseum, which is not far your neighborhood

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Quite a few examples there ... and a comprehensive catalog in the bookshop

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Marcus den toom · 25th February 2020, 02:58 PM

True Nando, though not as close anymore with my new residence.. haha. I have been there a few times as well as in the old Visser collection.

Another question, does anyone have schematics of how such a crossbow should work from the inside?

corrado26 · 25th February 2020, 04:42 PM

I hope these pages will help you
corrado26

fernando · 25th February 2020, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcus den toom

--- Another question, does anyone have schematics of how such a crossbow should work from the inside?

Do you mean the arming method or the trigger action, Marcus ?
I believe there are various arming systems as also a few evolutions of the trigger system.
The arming of the model under discussion may be seen HERE and HERE.
But you surely know all that ...

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... Oh, Udo was faster

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Marcus den toom · 25th February 2020, 06:22 PM

Thanks, i am breaking my head on mine though..
i attached a image of what mine looks like.. i understand how it works when its armed, but i can't figure out how it would work after releasing the trigger.

The trigger has a small nodge which keeps the trigger from releasing (and a bigger nodge for keeping the sear in bounds).
Whence the trigger is released the sear is pushed down without a force counteracting it. How it will be armed again with the sear on the trigger nodge...

20th February 2020, 01:21 PM	#1
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	neither this target crossbow is for practicing, on a crossbow shooting range. Those shooting ranges (Doelen) stems from the training grounds for the dutch militia. probably founded in the 14thc onwards. Militia/civic guards as seen on Rembrandt's masterpiece the night watch. There were seperate Doelen for crossbows, for the longbow archery, and for matchlock firearms/muskets. These civic guards were established probably between the 11th and 13th centuriy. The first archers' guilds "sheltered" the bourgeoisie, but their duties were later expanded with the defense of walls and canals. From the 16th century the guild lost its military function, but it continued to exist as a relaxation shooting club for the elite. best, Jasper Last edited by cornelistromp; 20th February 2020 at 01:36 PM.

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corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,237	............and here a further piece of the Netherlands corrado26 Attached Images

25th February 2020, 04:42 PM	#6
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,237	I hope these pages will help you corrado26 Attached Images

25th February 2020, 06:22 PM	#8
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 535	Thanks, i am breaking my head on mine though.. i attached a image of what mine looks like.. i understand how it works when its armed, but i can't figure out how it would work after releasing the trigger. The trigger has a small nodge which keeps the trigger from releasing (and a bigger nodge for keeping the sear in bounds). Whence the trigger is released the sear is pushed down without a force counteracting it. How it will be armed again with the sear on the trigger nodge... Attached Images

20th February 2020, 02:47 PM	#3
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 535	Thank you all so much, its an even more interesting piece than my own research had panned out. No markings as far as i can decern. Does anyone know what rope would be best to replace this flimsy one? And though i believe you (Jasper) on the dating i am curious to know the (stylistic) differences between a 17and 18th century bow of this type.

20th February 2020, 02:58 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Marcus, you may as well visit the Königlichen Niederländischen Armeemuseum, which is not far your neighborhood . Quite a few examples there ... and a comprehensive catalog in the bookshop .

25th February 2020, 02:58 PM	#5
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 535	True Nando, though not as close anymore with my new residence.. haha. I have been there a few times as well as in the old Visser collection. Another question, does anyone have schematics of how such a crossbow should work from the inside?