Scottish Highlandpistol by John Murdoch of Done

corrado26 · 17th January 2020, 01:59 PM

.............and here are the fotos of the lock's inside. Normally I don't open until today never opened pistols and so I hope it was worth the risk and you are satisfied.
Best regards
corrado26

fernando · 17th January 2020, 02:06 PM

So nice of you, Udo

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Now, let us see what Fernando K has to say about it.
Looks rather simple ... to me

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Fernando K · 17th January 2020, 04:11 PM

Hi Corrado

Thank you. It is the first time I see how a Scottish lock works, I can see that the half.cock is achieved by the bar in front of the cock and this full-cock is achieved by the tooth in the nut, which is retained by the guarantor of horizontal movement Again thank you very much.

Affectionately

NeilUK · 17th January 2020, 05:10 PM

I notice that the lock is fitted with an anti-friction roller/wheel which I have never seen on a Doune pistol, or even any Scottish pistol, before. John Murdoch is recorded as still alive or even working in 1798 so it could be that this pistol was made in his later years and he was trying out this new device for faster ignition. Anti-friction rollers seem to have come into use c.1790 and onwards. All supposition but does anyone have a better suggestion?
Regards, Neil

GIO · 17th January 2020, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corrado26

.............and here are the fotos of the lock's inside. Normally I don't open until today never opened pistols and so I hope it was worth the risk and you are satisfied.
Best regards
corrado26

I always take locks off, as often rust remains unseen inside the mechanism. If possible I also dismount completely the locks, eliminate rust and protect all inner parts with grease or oil.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 19th January 2020, 08:22 PM

JUST to indicate a few links here; please see

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q...cw=1117&ch=462

The web notes ~ "The trade is now carried on by John Murdoch, also famous for his ingenuity in the craft and who has likewise furnished pistols to the first nobility of Europe These pistols were sold from 4 to 24 guineas a pair ... when Mr. Murdoch gives over the business, the trade, in all probability will become extinct.' (Sinclair:87). John Murdoch 'manufactured both lobe-butt and ramshorn (scroll)-butt pistols' (Kelvin: 93-4) and he may also have been the partner of another Doune pistol-maker John Christie as pistols signed 'Christie and Murdoch Duni Fecit' of about 1750 survive."

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corrado26 · 20th January 2020, 07:29 AM

Thanks a lot Ibrahijm for these interesting links
corrado26

Spottedbull · 21st January 2020, 11:42 AM

THAT is a beautiful piece of craftsmanship! Im very jealous!!

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 26th January 2020, 11:39 PM

i NOTED AN INTERESTING SNIPPET ON A WEB SITE AT

http://www.tartansauthority.com/high...hland-weapons/

From which I quote QUOTE "A Mr Glen has a wheel-lock pistol of the time of Charles I on which the armourer's mark is a pair of bagpipes and the initials C. L.

Logan states that the manufacture of pistols was commenced at Doune about 1646 by Thomas Guide who had learned his trade at Muthil. One of his apprentices, John Campbell, also became a famous maker. John Murdoch succeeded him. Campbell's and Murdoch's pistols are more common than Caddell's. Bissett occurs frequently on Highland pistols in the Tower Armoury. A less known maker is Jo. Chrystie''. UNQUOTE.

corrado26 · 27th January 2020, 07:19 AM

Thanks a lot for this interesting link!

17th January 2020, 01:59 PM	#1
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,237	.............and here are the fotos of the lock's inside. Normally I don't open until today never opened pistols and so I hope it was worth the risk and you are satisfied. Best regards corrado26 Attached Images

19th January 2020, 08:22 PM	#6
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	JUST to indicate a few links here; please see https://www.bing.com/images/search?q...cw=1117&ch=462 The web notes ~ "The trade is now carried on by John Murdoch, also famous for his ingenuity in the craft and who has likewise furnished pistols to the first nobility of Europe These pistols were sold from 4 to 24 guineas a pair ... when Mr. Murdoch gives over the business, the trade, in all probability will become extinct.' (Sinclair:87). John Murdoch 'manufactured both lobe-butt and ramshorn (scroll)-butt pistols' (Kelvin: 93-4) and he may also have been the partner of another Doune pistol-maker John Christie as pistols signed 'Christie and Murdoch Duni Fecit' of about 1750 survive." - Last edited by fernando; 20th January 2020 at 10:53 AM. Reason: Sorry ... no links to dealer websites

17th January 2020, 02:06 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	So nice of you, Udo . Now, let us see what Fernando K has to say about it. Looks rather simple ... to me .

17th January 2020, 04:11 PM	#3
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	Hi Corrado Thank you. It is the first time I see how a Scottish lock works, I can see that the half.cock is achieved by the bar in front of the cock and this full-cock is achieved by the tooth in the nut, which is retained by the guarantor of horizontal movement Again thank you very much. Affectionately

17th January 2020, 05:10 PM	#4
NeilUK Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Scotland Posts: 126	I notice that the lock is fitted with an anti-friction roller/wheel which I have never seen on a Doune pistol, or even any Scottish pistol, before. John Murdoch is recorded as still alive or even working in 1798 so it could be that this pistol was made in his later years and he was trying out this new device for faster ignition. Anti-friction rollers seem to have come into use c.1790 and onwards. All supposition but does anyone have a better suggestion? Regards, Neil

20th January 2020, 07:29 AM	#7
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,237	Thanks a lot Ibrahijm for these interesting links corrado26

21st January 2020, 11:42 AM	#8
Spottedbull Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Maypearl, Texas USA Posts: 10	THAT is a beautiful piece of craftsmanship! Im very jealous!!

26th January 2020, 11:39 PM	#9
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	i NOTED AN INTERESTING SNIPPET ON A WEB SITE AT http://www.tartansauthority.com/high...hland-weapons/ From which I quote QUOTE "A Mr Glen has a wheel-lock pistol of the time of Charles I on which the armourer's mark is a pair of bagpipes and the initials C. L. Logan states that the manufacture of pistols was commenced at Doune about 1646 by Thomas Guide who had learned his trade at Muthil. One of his apprentices, John Campbell, also became a famous maker. John Murdoch succeeded him. Campbell's and Murdoch's pistols are more common than Caddell's. Bissett occurs frequently on Highland pistols in the Tower Armoury. A less known maker is Jo. Chrystie''. UNQUOTE.

27th January 2020, 07:19 AM	#10
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,237	Thanks a lot for this interesting link!