An iron sheath ... or a frame of it, for comments

fernando · 8th November 2019, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kmaddock

...If you google
Smatchet fighting knife FS
this shape scabbard would be a good match
It would also match the
welsh fusiliers knife
made in WWI sorry no images of either but search the above 2 and you should see what I mean size would be wrong but shape would match...

Thank you for the hint, Ken ... but i don't think so; neither the shape, nor the size ... or the material, etc.

Lee · 8th November 2019, 05:05 PM

I think the features are just too close for this not to be the frame of a scabbard for a Celtic / Roman knife of the style shown above. Sometimes we do see Celtic iron artifacts with provenance of good repute that are in amazing shape for being two millennia old, so I'll not casually dismiss this as impossible. I was once led to a nice Celtic long sword with a sheet iron sheath by a thread in another forum ridiculing it an impossible survival. However, in these days of forgeries of just about anything collectible, suspicion of more recent work is also hard to confidently dismiss.

fernando · 8th November 2019, 05:26 PM

Well ... that is re-encouraging, Lee. Thank you for your precious entry

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kronckew · 8th November 2019, 05:47 PM

What size is it?

Welsh trench sword scabbard doesn't have those side mounts, it's wood core wrapped cris-cross in OD canvass and has a frog suspension. It's essentially a large romanesque short sword not a knife. It's similar to a giant smatchet, about twice the size.

fernando · 8th November 2019, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

What size is it?

Welsh trench sword scabbard doesn't have those side mounts, it's wood core wrapped cris-cross in OD canvass and has a frog suspension. It's essentially a large romanesque short sword not a knife. It's similar to a giant smatchet, about twice the size.

Wayne, i have already been through that with Ken (post #14). It is completely out of question

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Size and weight in my post #4.

kronckew · 8th November 2019, 06:01 PM

ah, missed that, scrolled too fast past it. Welsh trench knife blade is 45 cm., bit too long.

8th November 2019, 05:05 PM	#2
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 970	I think the features are just too close for this not to be the frame of a scabbard for a Celtic / Roman knife of the style shown above. Sometimes we do see Celtic iron artifacts with provenance of good repute that are in amazing shape for being two millennia old, so I'll not casually dismiss this as impossible. I was once led to a nice Celtic long sword with a sheet iron sheath by a thread in another forum ridiculing it an impossible survival. However, in these days of forgeries of just about anything collectible, suspicion of more recent work is also hard to confidently dismiss.

8th November 2019, 05:26 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Well ... that is re-encouraging, Lee. Thank you for your precious entry .

8th November 2019, 05:47 PM	#4
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,259	What size is it? Welsh trench sword scabbard doesn't have those side mounts, it's wood core wrapped cris-cross in OD canvass and has a frog suspension. It's essentially a large romanesque short sword not a knife. It's similar to a giant smatchet, about twice the size. Attached Images

8th November 2019, 06:01 PM	#6
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,259	ah, missed that, scrolled too fast past it. Welsh trench knife blade is 45 cm., bit too long.