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2nd November 2019, 10:22 PM
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Hullo Thomas,
My two-doeits' worth (first impression): - Overall sheathed assemblage reminiscent of southern Kalamantan; in particular, a djambia/jambia/jambya/jambeya. - Blade simplicity similar to southern Kalamantan or Soenda. - I recall mention of a Djawa pakem which includes a keris djambia; but I don't recall its details (wintjikan). I did some quick research and found a peninsular 7Eloek tjombong keris w/ kembang-katjang; also a plain keris w/ a ngganja (not a tjengkrong)from northern Soelawesi. So, while rare, it appears that they are not unique? Best, Last edited by Amuk Murugul; 3rd November 2019 at 07:48 AM. Reason: quick update |
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3rd November 2019, 02:56 AM
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Wow - not seen one like this before.
I'll send over to the Keris section. |
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3rd November 2019, 04:44 AM
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An interesting thing, clearly has some age, does not look like an alteration, but could be.
I doubt that it can legitimately be classified as a keris. As Amuk comments, it does tend towards a jambiyo |
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3rd November 2019, 06:44 AM
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I've seen one before in the collection of an important Dutch collector years ago.
Unfortunately I cann't remember details. Very nice to see another one. |
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3rd November 2019, 08:11 AM
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Thank you very much amuk murugul. A research depends mostly on the right name to search. Now I’m a step forward. Last edited by thomas hauschild; 3rd November 2019 at 10:00 AM. |
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3rd November 2019, 10:35 AM
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See what a jambiya from Yemen looks like in comparison.
Regards |
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3rd November 2019, 11:17 AM
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Just thought I'd add this link to a southern Kalamantan djambia for comparison: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...987#post243987 Best, |
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3rd November 2019, 12:05 PM
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Hullo AM,
I believe you meant this posting of yours? http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...22&postcount=5 Regards, Kai |
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3rd November 2019, 07:39 PM
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Thanks! Yes, that's what I meant. I'm rather tech-challenged; after a few tries to do what I wanted, I gave up and did what I could. Thanks again. I managed to track one down again; posting a pic (with apologies to the owner). Best Last edited by Amuk Murugul; 4th November 2019 at 04:51 AM. |
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4th November 2019, 07:59 PM
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Well, my own personal viewpoint on whether or not this should be considered a keris should carry little weight in the community at large, but i see this much more as a keris than i do a jambiyo. I mean, everything else that one would expect from a keris is there except for the curvature of the blade. At the same time, certainly the curvature alone cannot qualify a blade as a jambiyo any more than a wavy luk blade can qualify a blade as a keris without the other recognized elements that make up a keris.
The blade looks genuinely old and the curve looks intentional and original to me. Certainly this is out of pakem, and i do realize that for some any keris dhapur that is outside of pakem is not a true keris. But i would happily accept this particular example into my family of keris and would consider it one, albeit a strange bird in the flock. 
Last edited by David; 5th November 2019 at 03:36 AM. |
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