Opinion on this blade / sword

Tim Simmons · 1st June 2019, 06:08 PM

Looks a bit Burmese to me?

mariusgmioc · 1st June 2019, 07:12 PM

The blade is European or possibly Russian.

Battara · 1st June 2019, 07:33 PM

And the scabbard looks to be Ottoman.

Jim McDougall · 1st June 2019, 07:48 PM

The blade appears to be what is known as 'montmorency' cross section and was used 1790s until about 1820s on British cavalry sabres, but of course many were German made as well. I would imagine the French may have used them too. With the movement of blades naturally Russians could not be discounted either.
In any case, definitely European of that period, and I think one of the most intriguing blade patterns I have seen with that unusual stepped section at the tip. Many British blade patterns of early 19th had this 'stepped' tip often with pipeback (ribbed) backs on the blade. It was a time of considerable innovation in blades for the British as they were sampling all sorts of prototypes to establish a more effective cut and thrust blade.

I would of course defer on the mounts to you guys with that expertise, but agree that the Ottoman denominator seems pretty compelling. The heavy repousse seems to me it might have SE Asian possibility as dha's often have this kind of work, but that scabbard chape as noted seems otherwise.
On that note, I would mention that often Balkan weapons had an 'oriental' theme, and that might correspond to the Ottoman idea.

Sure seems to be a colonially mounted European blade, but more specific hard to say. Really nice! love that blade!

Ren Ren · 1st June 2019, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Looks a bit Burmese to me?

In my opinion this subject comes from British Malaya.

Battara · 1st June 2019, 09:09 PM

Many Ottoman regions used European blades, and this one seems to be a calvary blade. The scabbard toe is definitely Ottoman, and in the Balkans you do see repousse metal on scabbards.

Ivo · 1st June 2019, 09:22 PM

Yes, it is a "Ottoman" influence - according to me, and the handle is identical to the design of the scabbard .

kronckew · 2nd June 2019, 07:51 AM

Cool Sword! Not my area, but when I saw the tip of the scabbard I thought 'Turkish' Overall I thought maybe influenced by the Mongols/Tatar/etc. horseman hordes of the Steppes. The poles liked Odd sabres too!. With a metal scabbard I'd want a horse to carry it for me most of the time.

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1st June 2019, 06:08 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	Looks a bit Burmese to me?

1st June 2019, 07:12 PM	#2
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,911	The blade is European or possibly Russian.

1st June 2019, 07:33 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	And the scabbard looks to be Ottoman.

1st June 2019, 07:48 PM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,285	The blade appears to be what is known as 'montmorency' cross section and was used 1790s until about 1820s on British cavalry sabres, but of course many were German made as well. I would imagine the French may have used them too. With the movement of blades naturally Russians could not be discounted either. In any case, definitely European of that period, and I think one of the most intriguing blade patterns I have seen with that unusual stepped section at the tip. Many British blade patterns of early 19th had this 'stepped' tip often with pipeback (ribbed) backs on the blade. It was a time of considerable innovation in blades for the British as they were sampling all sorts of prototypes to establish a more effective cut and thrust blade. I would of course defer on the mounts to you guys with that expertise, but agree that the Ottoman denominator seems pretty compelling. The heavy repousse seems to me it might have SE Asian possibility as dha's often have this kind of work, but that scabbard chape as noted seems otherwise. On that note, I would mention that often Balkan weapons had an 'oriental' theme, and that might correspond to the Ottoman idea. Sure seems to be a colonially mounted European blade, but more specific hard to say. Really nice! love that blade!

1st June 2019, 09:09 PM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	Many Ottoman regions used European blades, and this one seems to be a calvary blade. The scabbard toe is definitely Ottoman, and in the Balkans you do see repousse metal on scabbards.

1st June 2019, 09:22 PM	#7
Ivo Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 38	Yes, it is a "Ottoman" influence - according to me, and the handle is identical to the design of the scabbard .

2nd June 2019, 07:51 AM	#8
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	Cool Sword! Not my area, but when I saw the tip of the scabbard I thought 'Turkish' Overall I thought maybe influenced by the Mongols/Tatar/etc. horseman hordes of the Steppes. The poles liked Odd sabres too!. With a metal scabbard I'd want a horse to carry it for me most of the time. .