A Kindjal and a Quadra

Kubur · 16th May 2019, 10:28 AM

I don't know about the first one but the second one is Persian.
Not only the coins but also the inscription.

drac2k · 16th May 2019, 01:26 PM

Thank you both for your responses.
Ariel, I found the article that you recommended to be very informative. What I was able to conclude in regards to the Dashna is the "what came first principle, the chicken or the egg."The Dashnar is stated as being of Persian origin, but it was also used by Khevsurian warriors. It also alludes to the fact that Georgian And Circassian warriors fought in Iran as mercenaries, and may have introduced the weapon to the Persians at that time.
I do not think that the weapon is a true dashna because the text states that the weapon is double-edged and this one isn't(even though it has a false edge on the last 6 inches, which according to the article would have allowed it to be used in the Khevsurian style of fighting). Next, it stated that the Dashnas were usually made from broken swords; based on the fullers and the construction of this weapon, I don't believe it to be the case. Finally, I re-examined the coins with a magnifying glass and found that the image was not an "S," but the tail of a lion and on the opposite side an arm holding a sabre, which would indicate it to be Persian.
In conclusion, you nailed it as being Persian and I think with heavy Khevsurian influences; I will re-read the article again to see what I missed the first time.

kronckew · 16th May 2019, 08:26 PM

You may find this of interest, if you haven't seen it before. Khevsurli of all ages with sharp pointy things like yours. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzaRUQ7_7cA

My khevsurli pranguli, also see Here
They still make/use them. there is an anecdote in that thread about the khevsuli getting a message from the Tsar asking for volunteers in 1918, they sharpened their swords, put on their best mail armour, grabbed their lances and headed for the war. The The only Pass out was blocked by snow, so they had to wait until spring to get there, late. I gather they missed it.

TVV · 16th May 2019, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kronckew

They still make them.

They do indeed.

16th May 2019, 08:26 PM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	You may find this of interest, if you haven't seen it before. Khevsurli of all ages with sharp pointy things like yours. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzaRUQ7_7cA My khevsurli pranguli, also see Here They still make/use them. there is an anecdote in that thread about the khevsuli getting a message from the Tsar asking for volunteers in 1918, they sharpened their swords, put on their best mail armour, grabbed their lances and headed for the war. The The only Pass out was blocked by snow, so they had to wait until spring to get there, late. I gather they missed it. Attached Images

16th May 2019, 10:28 AM	#1
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	I don't know about the first one but the second one is Persian. Not only the coins but also the inscription.

16th May 2019, 01:26 PM	#2
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,258	Thank you both for your responses. Ariel, I found the article that you recommended to be very informative. What I was able to conclude in regards to the Dashna is the "what came first principle, the chicken or the egg."The Dashnar is stated as being of Persian origin, but it was also used by Khevsurian warriors. It also alludes to the fact that Georgian And Circassian warriors fought in Iran as mercenaries, and may have introduced the weapon to the Persians at that time. I do not think that the weapon is a true dashna because the text states that the weapon is double-edged and this one isn't(even though it has a false edge on the last 6 inches, which according to the article would have allowed it to be used in the Khevsurian style of fighting). Next, it stated that the Dashnas were usually made from broken swords; based on the fullers and the construction of this weapon, I don't believe it to be the case. Finally, I re-examined the coins with a magnifying glass and found that the image was not an "S," but the tail of a lion and on the opposite side an arm holding a sabre, which would indicate it to be Persian. In conclusion, you nailed it as being Persian and I think with heavy Khevsurian influences; I will re-read the article again to see what I missed the first time.