New Sunggingan Warangka

A. G. Maisey · 13th May 2019, 02:24 PM

Yohan, in my experience, if you ask a Javanese person a question you will usually get an answer that the respondent believes will

A) correspond with your expectations as perceived by the respondent

B) please you

C) serve to enhance your perception of the respondent

you will almost never get an answer that represents, or even comes close to, reality.

In fact, in dealing with Javanese people it is generally a very good idea never to ask a direct question, this can be seen as an indication of the questioner's lack of good manners. To extract relatively realistic responses one needs to approach the matter in an indirect fashion, and this can be quite difficult unless one is face to face with the person one needs an answer from.

However, if you are happy with a map of S.E. Asia on your wrongko, and the related explanation, that is really the only thing that matters.

JustYS · 20th May 2019, 08:27 AM

Yes one can only guess what is the intention of the artist.

Overall I’m quite happy with the final product:

Anthony G. · 21st May 2019, 04:44 AM

Hi, nice piece you got there. The Punakawan brothers which I believe?
This is mine recently made, Punakawan brothers.

JustYS · 21st May 2019, 06:10 AM

Thanks Anthony, mine also is recently made.

From my basic knowledge of wayang characters, Punakawan consists of 4 characters: Semar (the father) and his 3 sons: Gareng, Petruk and Bagong.

These characters are purely Javanese invention, they did not exist in the original Mahabharata story.

Yours I believe (I might be wrong) are characters from Ramayana, the one in the middle might represents the monkey race (Hanuman, Sugriwa or Subali), the other two on each side may represents the Rakshasa (Giant) race.

Anthony G. · 21st May 2019, 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustYS

Thanks Anthony, mine also is recently made.

From my basic knowledge of wayang characters, Punakawan consists of 4 characters: Semar (the father) and his 3 sons: Gareng, Petruk and Bagong.

These characters are purely Javanese invention, they did not exist in the original Mahabharata story.

Yours I believe (I might be wrong) are characters from Ramayana, the one in the middle might represents the monkey race (Hanuman, Sugriwa or Subali), the other two on each side may represents the Rakshasa (Giant) race.

Hi, I think you are correct. Thanks for the update

Btw, is this god of hell, Yama?

JustYS · 21st May 2019, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony G.

Hi, I think you are correct. Thanks for the update

Btw, is this god of hell, Yama?

Unfortunately I don’t know, but I’m sure more knowledgeable member in this forum can answer your question

20th May 2019, 08:27 AM	#2
JustYS Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 146	Yes one can only guess what is the intention of the artist. Overall I’m quite happy with the final product: Attached Images

21st May 2019, 04:44 AM	#3
Anthony G. Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 470	Hi, nice piece you got there. The Punakawan brothers which I believe? This is mine recently made, Punakawan brothers. Attached Images

13th May 2019, 02:24 PM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	Yohan, in my experience, if you ask a Javanese person a question you will usually get an answer that the respondent believes will A) correspond with your expectations as perceived by the respondent B) please you C) serve to enhance your perception of the respondent you will almost never get an answer that represents, or even comes close to, reality. In fact, in dealing with Javanese people it is generally a very good idea never to ask a direct question, this can be seen as an indication of the questioner's lack of good manners. To extract relatively realistic responses one needs to approach the matter in an indirect fashion, and this can be quite difficult unless one is face to face with the person one needs an answer from. However, if you are happy with a map of S.E. Asia on your wrongko, and the related explanation, that is really the only thing that matters.

21st May 2019, 06:10 AM	#4
JustYS Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 146	Thanks Anthony, mine also is recently made. From my basic knowledge of wayang characters, Punakawan consists of 4 characters: Semar (the father) and his 3 sons: Gareng, Petruk and Bagong. These characters are purely Javanese invention, they did not exist in the original Mahabharata story. Yours I believe (I might be wrong) are characters from Ramayana, the one in the middle might represents the monkey race (Hanuman, Sugriwa or Subali), the other two on each side may represents the Rakshasa (Giant) race.