Keris for sharing

David · 20th April 2019, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jagabuwana

.. at the risk of sounding like I'm fishing, comments are welcome, though I can see why that would be ambiguous from the thread title.

Well we did already have a discussion about the blade, as you have pointed out with the link you provided. It is a bit of a mismatch with this Bugis blade in fairly pedestrian Yogyakarta dress. I am not sure there is much to actually comment on regarding this dress other than the obvious mismatching. Is there something else in particular you wish to know about this keris that has not already been discussed yet?

Sajen · 20th April 2019, 08:16 PM

I agree with everything David has stated. Why you haven't tried to give the blade a Bugis dress?

Regards,
Detlef

A. G. Maisey · 21st April 2019, 12:34 AM

Yes, it is a mismatch, but something that a lot collectors do not realise is that old Bali, Madura, and Bugis blades are found reasonably frequently in old Javanese dress that we associate with the old centers of power.The reason for this is that men from these societies were recognised as very capable fighters. and were employed as mercenaries.

Then there is the possibility that Jaga preferred to use this dress, rather than none at all.

jagabuwana · 21st April 2019, 01:03 PM

Alan is right - I preferred some dress rather than none at all and I also like Jogja and Solo dress much more than I do bugis. I understand that it's a mismatch but my mindset and approach isn't that of a collector's. I suppose this means that I don't intend to be strict about the dress of a keris that isn't a pusaka or has high value

David · 21st April 2019, 05:08 PM

Though Detlef may be suggesting you change the dress of this keris that was certainly not the point of my post. I'm just not sure what else you would like us to comment about though, other than the mismatched dress, since we discussed this blade in your other thread. It may have made more sense to simple attach these new photos to that old thread and i still might indeed combine these two threads since they are about the same keris.
Yes, there may indeed be a legitimate reason for this Bugis blade to be held in Javanese dress. I don't believe i was stating anything different by noting the mismatch, and Alan is indeed correct that there are many cases where Bugis, Balinese, Madurese or people from other outlying areas come to find themselves living within Javanese societies and therefore dress their native keris appropriately for that area. One possible, though not necessarily positive, clue to this would be whether this sheath appears to have been made specifically for this blade.

Sajen · 21st April 2019, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Though Detlef may be suggesting you change the dress of this keris....

No, Detlef just ask why Jaga don't try to find a matching Bugis sarung for this blade!

But agree with Alan that this dress is better as no dress.

Regards,
Detlef

jagabuwana · 22nd April 2019, 12:53 AM

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I'm just not sure what else you would like us to comment about though

Neither am I

The only reason I bumped the post was because it may have been ambiguous from my title that I was inviting comment, without any expectation about the nature of the comments themselves. Had there been no comments after that, then that's okay. So thank you David, Detlef and Alan for your comments and observations. You're right though, I should have used the old thread instead

20th April 2019, 08:16 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,333	I agree with everything David has stated. Why you haven't tried to give the blade a Bugis dress? Regards, Detlef

21st April 2019, 12:34 AM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	Yes, it is a mismatch, but something that a lot collectors do not realise is that old Bali, Madura, and Bugis blades are found reasonably frequently in old Javanese dress that we associate with the old centers of power.The reason for this is that men from these societies were recognised as very capable fighters. and were employed as mercenaries. Then there is the possibility that Jaga preferred to use this dress, rather than none at all.

21st April 2019, 01:03 PM	#4
jagabuwana Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 291	Alan is right - I preferred some dress rather than none at all and I also like Jogja and Solo dress much more than I do bugis. I understand that it's a mismatch but my mindset and approach isn't that of a collector's. I suppose this means that I don't intend to be strict about the dress of a keris that isn't a pusaka or has high value

21st April 2019, 05:08 PM	#5
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,237	Though Detlef may be suggesting you change the dress of this keris that was certainly not the point of my post. I'm just not sure what else you would like us to comment about though, other than the mismatched dress, since we discussed this blade in your other thread. It may have made more sense to simple attach these new photos to that old thread and i still might indeed combine these two threads since they are about the same keris. Yes, there may indeed be a legitimate reason for this Bugis blade to be held in Javanese dress. I don't believe i was stating anything different by noting the mismatch, and Alan is indeed correct that there are many cases where Bugis, Balinese, Madurese or people from other outlying areas come to find themselves living within Javanese societies and therefore dress their native keris appropriately for that area. One possible, though not necessarily positive, clue to this would be whether this sheath appears to have been made specifically for this blade.