Unknown sword

MABAGANI · 19th April 2006, 10:23 AM

The dot inlays match up, so rewrap is recent.

Spunjer · 19th April 2006, 04:17 PM

hi ernest e,
going back to the original topic of the thread; yes, it is a moro kris.

...i'm sure you know that by now, lol. just wanna add my two centimos, that's all

ibeam · 19th April 2006, 04:22 PM

!!!$$%%#^#&**#*($)_ Sorry wiping off the drool from my keyboard.

Bienvenido to the Forum Ernesto,

As Manny has kindly explained, I meant that more for collectors of “MORO SWORDS”.

This particular kris is what I meant by being well known. Thank you Panday for posting the pictures.

nechesh · 19th April 2006, 04:45 PM

Yep Panday, i'd say that looks like you got a match. I suspected that the wrap was new on it since it looked too neat and clean.
Oh, and of course i know the routine, i was just removing the "luck" part as a factor. I have no doubt that you take care of the family first.

Of course, Mabagani being off ebay......hhmm.....well that might be considered lucky.

BTW Mabagani, do you think a piece like this would be a battle field pick-up? It doesn't look like the kind of kris that would see a lot of fighting.

Battara · 19th April 2006, 07:41 PM

PANDAY!!! So you're the one that beat me out of this!! (along with others

). Yes, I had been comparing this to the Cato example and I came to the conclusion this was the same puppy.

Also on the scabbard debate, I agree with Mabagani, and add another possiblility. Early on many American collectors threw away scabbards.

Not must PI/Moro, but US Civil War and other historic pieces as well.

Thus, for example, it is so much more valuable to have a scabbard on a US Civil War foot officer's or staff officer's sword.

MABAGANI · 19th April 2006, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by nechesh

BTW Mabagani, do you think a piece like this would be a battle field pick-up? It doesn't look like the kind of kris that would see a lot of fighting.

I wouldn't rule out the possiblity, most the old kris are battle worthy, even the junggayan with the massive pommels, contrary to the thought that they are cerimonial. This kris in particular has some wear.

nechesh · 19th April 2006, 10:16 PM

I wasn't questioning whether or nor this blade is battle worthy as much as whether a datu who could afford silver inlay and ivory pommels would actually find himself on the battlefield with his men.

pinoy · 20th April 2006, 01:11 AM

Hi guys, another example of an inlayed kris.

MABAGANI · 20th April 2006, 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nechesh

I wasn't questioning whether or nor this blade is battle worthy as much as whether a datu who could afford silver inlay and ivory pommels would actually find himself on the battlefield with his men.

In Moro culture, owning a fine sword or wealth did not exempt datus from fighting with his men or family...leadership also meant warrior prowess

20th April 2006, 01:11 AM	#8
pinoy Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 14	Hi guys, another example of an inlayed kris. Attached Images

19th April 2006, 10:23 AM	#1
MABAGANI Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 221	The dot inlays match up, so rewrap is recent.

19th April 2006, 04:17 PM	#2
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	hi ernest e, going back to the original topic of the thread; yes, it is a moro kris. ...i'm sure you know that by now, lol. just wanna add my two centimos, that's all

19th April 2006, 04:22 PM	#3
ibeam Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 134	!!!$$%%#^#&*#($)_ Sorry wiping off the drool from my keyboard. Bienvenido to the Forum Ernesto, As Manny has kindly explained, I meant that more for collectors of “MORO SWORDS”. This particular kris is what I meant by being well known. Thank you Panday for posting the pictures.

19th April 2006, 04:45 PM	#4
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Yep Panday, i'd say that looks like you got a match. I suspected that the wrap was new on it since it looked too neat and clean. Oh, and of course i know the routine, i was just removing the "luck" part as a factor. I have no doubt that you take care of the family first. Of course, Mabagani being off ebay......hhmm.....well that might be considered lucky. BTW Mabagani, do you think a piece like this would be a battle field pick-up? It doesn't look like the kind of kris that would see a lot of fighting.

19th April 2006, 07:41 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	PANDAY!!! So you're the one that beat me out of this!! (along with others ). Yes, I had been comparing this to the Cato example and I came to the conclusion this was the same puppy. Also on the scabbard debate, I agree with Mabagani, and add another possiblility. Early on many American collectors threw away scabbards. Not must PI/Moro, but US Civil War and other historic pieces as well. Thus, for example, it is so much more valuable to have a scabbard on a US Civil War foot officer's or staff officer's sword.

19th April 2006, 10:16 PM	#7
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	I wasn't questioning whether or nor this blade is battle worthy as much as whether a datu who could afford silver inlay and ivory pommels would actually find himself on the battlefield with his men.