Help In identifying Ottoman sword and inscriptions

Victrix · 29th March 2019, 05:21 PM

Hi Steve,

You certainly seem to have married the right gal! Great sword.

sadsmd · 29th March 2019, 06:05 PM

Thank you very much gentleman, and yes I did marry the right gal

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I'm I correct in thinking the etching/engraving is gold inlay?

Any one know an approximate age of this saber?

Thank you again,
Steve

Semper Fi

ariel · 30th March 2019, 03:16 AM

Do I see 1118? 1708-9?
I agree with Theodore: sun-like decoration on the chape looks Syrian to me.

sadsmd · 30th March 2019, 03:26 AM

What date do you place this ?

ariel · 30th March 2019, 09:32 AM

See above: 1118 H; 1708-9 Gregorian. Or 1138H = 1725-6? Last pic, right cartouche.
This is just an impression from a poor quality and seemingly upside down photo.
Would be nice to hear what other people see and think.

Inscriptions might be gold, might be brass, only a jeweler with good equipment will be able to distinguish. In any case, this does not (IMHO) affect the value of the sword.

kronckew · 30th March 2019, 10:20 AM

Correct way up I see 1138.

Pieje · 30th March 2019, 12:36 PM

A great 18th century shamshir! Congrats!
Did you check the handle/translucency? Could be rhino..
Gold inlay, often verses of the Quran or poetry, probably done later (Syria?).

sadsmd · 30th March 2019, 03:47 PM

Again thank you everyone!

I have a friend who is Persian and they translated one of the inscriptions to read
"Saheb and Malek, means the owner of... Ali (ba) with Shazdeh (Prince) Omar yek (one).

I've uploaded a couple more pics of the inscriptions.
Thank you,
Steve

29th March 2019, 06:05 PM	#2
sadsmd Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: NC Posts: 12	Thank you Thank you very much gentleman, and yes I did marry the right gal . I'm I correct in thinking the etching/engraving is gold inlay? Any one know an approximate age of this saber? Thank you again, Steve Semper Fi

30th March 2019, 09:32 AM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	See above: 1118 H; 1708-9 Gregorian. Or 1138H = 1725-6? Last pic, right cartouche. This is just an impression from a poor quality and seemingly upside down photo. Would be nice to hear what other people see and think. Inscriptions might be gold, might be brass, only a jeweler with good equipment will be able to distinguish. In any case, this does not (IMHO) affect the value of the sword. Last edited by ariel; 30th March 2019 at 09:46 AM.

30th March 2019, 10:20 AM	#6
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,259	Correct way up I see 1138. Attached Images

30th March 2019, 03:47 PM	#8
sadsmd Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: NC Posts: 12	Again thank you everyone! I have a friend who is Persian and they translated one of the inscriptions to read "Saheb and Malek, means the owner of... Ali (ba) with Shazdeh (Prince) Omar yek (one). I've uploaded a couple more pics of the inscriptions. Thank you, Steve Attached Images

29th March 2019, 05:21 PM	#1
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 763	Hi Steve, You certainly seem to have married the right gal! Great sword.

30th March 2019, 03:16 AM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Do I see 1118? 1708-9? I agree with Theodore: sun-like decoration on the chape looks Syrian to me.

30th March 2019, 03:26 AM	#4
sadsmd Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: NC Posts: 12	What date do you place this ?

30th March 2019, 12:36 PM	#7
Pieje Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Belgium Posts: 132	A great 18th century shamshir! Congrats! Did you check the handle/translucency? Could be rhino.. Gold inlay, often verses of the Quran or poetry, probably done later (Syria?).