Rerajahan soul of the keris

Pusaka · 5th March 2019, 01:57 AM

David, until I started this thread did you know what a Rerajahan was? did you know that these mystical drawings were inserted in keris during construction? I would not blame you if you did not because its not common knowledge. The fact that it is not even mentioned once in this entire forum despite all the years says it all.

Now how did this John Chang guy know that such a "device" was hidden in the keris? Either he made a more then casual study of keris construction or it is as he claimed that he could simply "see" it. The fact that he calls it a FU points in the latter direction.

You say you have watched the video of him, then you know a full team of Scientists was sent to discover if he was a fraud. Could your magician friend you speak of duplicate what john chang does just wearing his underpants with a metal detector passed over his body? My "belief" in John may not have occurred without such rigorous testing. John has refused to communicate any further with the public so its clear he is not after fame. He is also a wealthy man so he is not after money. Nor does he want to teach you anything actually many have sought him out and he has refused to teach them despite large sums of money being offered.

Now to your last question if your thought and breath went into making something you are forever connected to it energetically.

Such an energetic connection can be used by a skilled person to hone in on the maker of the object. John uses this link to speak to the spirit of the dead maker. If he really can communicate with Empu's of the majapahit period then yes he is an expert in keris because what better teacher could you have then direct communication with an empu majapahit?

If your intention from the beginning was to create something to serve Mr X and his family then that is what that ISI will do because that is what you have programmed it to do. In this sense the ISI does not enjoy true free will but it has life. In western magic such an entity is sometimes called a servitor for good reason.

Part of the contract is that the owner will feed the ISI via incense smoke which renews and builds its energy.

The question about the Empu's energy is more complex. It requires a knowledge of mantras. Is the power of a mantra solely derived from the person who utters it or in uttering it is the person tapping into something universal and outside himself? Every breath you take you are tapping into something outside yourself prana (chi) and manus (Li) are two different things however.

David · 5th March 2019, 03:11 AM

I can only repeat Alan's words here. Belief can be very powerful.

Pusaka · 5th March 2019, 11:44 AM

David many people believe a keris pusaka can not be passed on to someone outside the family (without a handover ceremony conducted by a member of the family anyway). For that reason they are only interested in a keris made specifically for themselves. If I seen a nice keris for sale though I wouldn't worry that it was made for someone else. I would be happy to have it on my wall regardless.

David · 5th March 2019, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pusaka

David many people believe a keris pusaka can not be passed on to someone outside the family (without a handover ceremony conducted by a member of the family anyway). For that reason they are only interested in a keris made specifically for themselves. If I seen a nice keris for sale though I wouldn't worry that it was made for someone else. I would be happy to have it on my wall regardless.

I don't believe i or anyone else here even suggested that one cannot or should not collect old keris pusaka. My comment was aimed at the habit of some collectors making a point of identifying keris in their collection as keris pusaka when that chain of lineage had been broken and the keris no longer serves as pusaka. I believe the same can be said of keris hidup. You can collect them, care for them, but the "mission" they were originally intended for is over and the idea that we can access or harness someone else's power or magickal intention for our own needs is probably a bad idea even if it were possible. So yes, your wall would make a wonderful "retirement home".

A. G. Maisey · 6th March 2019, 03:11 AM

This really has been a remarkable thread. I keep writing more posts to put into the discussion, but then I re-think the wisdom of what I have written, and I delete my comments. Not everything is suitable to be aired in public.

Pusaka · 6th March 2019, 03:03 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOoo1uRZ5tM

Earlier it was asked if the use of Rerajahan in keris construction had survived in Muslim parts. From the text below it looks like it is a possibility, at least the word has survived in non Hindu parts but what it represents there we can only know by comparison.

"What are the conditions if there are young people who want to become masters like you?

There are two manuscripts that become references. First , Kepandean Dharma texts made in the era of the Kingdom of Kediri, Singasari, and Majapahit. Secondly the Rerajahan Keris text which explains the requirements to become a master or cleric."

https://lifestyle.bisnis.com/read/20...ngan-sang-empu

Secondly I searched to see if I could find an example of a Rerajahan being scribed into the metal of a keris. In the video (6:15) you can see a Balinese Pande using the special scribe I spoke of earlier to trace what appears to be the AUM mantra onto the metal. Not sure if this would be classed as a Rerajahan but you get the idea. Similar stylus are used by pedanda/pemangku to scribe aksare on strips of metal during the construction of jimat.

A. G. Maisey · 6th March 2019, 07:47 PM

Thanks for putting up those links Darren, interesting.

Was there something in particular that you wanted to draw out attention to in the Basuki Yuwono article? I read that one through, but I have not got time right now to look at the other articles before & after it.

I've looked at just the 6.15 cut of the pande inscribing the metal, I have not yet looked at the rest of this video --- again, time. I'll have a look later.

5th March 2019, 01:57 AM	#1
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	David, until I started this thread did you know what a Rerajahan was? did you know that these mystical drawings were inserted in keris during construction? I would not blame you if you did not because its not common knowledge. The fact that it is not even mentioned once in this entire forum despite all the years says it all. Now how did this John Chang guy know that such a "device" was hidden in the keris? Either he made a more then casual study of keris construction or it is as he claimed that he could simply "see" it. The fact that he calls it a FU points in the latter direction. You say you have watched the video of him, then you know a full team of Scientists was sent to discover if he was a fraud. Could your magician friend you speak of duplicate what john chang does just wearing his underpants with a metal detector passed over his body? My "belief" in John may not have occurred without such rigorous testing. John has refused to communicate any further with the public so its clear he is not after fame. He is also a wealthy man so he is not after money. Nor does he want to teach you anything actually many have sought him out and he has refused to teach them despite large sums of money being offered. Now to your last question if your thought and breath went into making something you are forever connected to it energetically. Such an energetic connection can be used by a skilled person to hone in on the maker of the object. John uses this link to speak to the spirit of the dead maker. If he really can communicate with Empu's of the majapahit period then yes he is an expert in keris because what better teacher could you have then direct communication with an empu majapahit? If your intention from the beginning was to create something to serve Mr X and his family then that is what that ISI will do because that is what you have programmed it to do. In this sense the ISI does not enjoy true free will but it has life. In western magic such an entity is sometimes called a servitor for good reason. Part of the contract is that the owner will feed the ISI via incense smoke which renews and builds its energy. The question about the Empu's energy is more complex. It requires a knowledge of mantras. Is the power of a mantra solely derived from the person who utters it or in uttering it is the person tapping into something universal and outside himself? Every breath you take you are tapping into something outside yourself prana (chi) and manus (Li) are two different things however.

5th March 2019, 03:11 AM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	I can only repeat Alan's words here. Belief can be very powerful.

5th March 2019, 11:44 AM	#3
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	David many people believe a keris pusaka can not be passed on to someone outside the family (without a handover ceremony conducted by a member of the family anyway). For that reason they are only interested in a keris made specifically for themselves. If I seen a nice keris for sale though I wouldn't worry that it was made for someone else. I would be happy to have it on my wall regardless.

6th March 2019, 03:11 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	This really has been a remarkable thread. I keep writing more posts to put into the discussion, but then I re-think the wisdom of what I have written, and I delete my comments. Not everything is suitable to be aired in public.

6th March 2019, 03:03 PM	#6
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOoo1uRZ5tM Earlier it was asked if the use of Rerajahan in keris construction had survived in Muslim parts. From the text below it looks like it is a possibility, at least the word has survived in non Hindu parts but what it represents there we can only know by comparison. "What are the conditions if there are young people who want to become masters like you? There are two manuscripts that become references. First , Kepandean Dharma texts made in the era of the Kingdom of Kediri, Singasari, and Majapahit. Secondly the Rerajahan Keris text which explains the requirements to become a master or cleric." https://lifestyle.bisnis.com/read/20...ngan-sang-empu Secondly I searched to see if I could find an example of a Rerajahan being scribed into the metal of a keris. In the video (6:15) you can see a Balinese Pande using the special scribe I spoke of earlier to trace what appears to be the AUM mantra onto the metal. Not sure if this would be classed as a Rerajahan but you get the idea. Similar stylus are used by pedanda/pemangku to scribe aksare on strips of metal during the construction of jimat.

6th March 2019, 07:47 PM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Thanks for putting up those links Darren, interesting. Was there something in particular that you wanted to draw out attention to in the Basuki Yuwono article? I read that one through, but I have not got time right now to look at the other articles before & after it. I've looked at just the 6.15 cut of the pande inscribing the metal, I have not yet looked at the rest of this video --- again, time. I'll have a look later.