Wootz Dagger, Persian?

ariel · 3rd March 2019, 01:12 AM

My attribution of the scabbard to Ottoman Empire stems purely from the wire stitching.
If we assume that the handle ( likely the most recent component) is N. Iraqi, that area till the end of WWI belonged to the Ottomans. Persian blades were sold all over. Iraq has large Shia populations, and even Sunni had nothing against the color of Muhammed’s Banner.
All these assumptions are exactly that and no more. I might be wrong, but at least I have some potentially supportive arguments. If anybody points out to their lack of validity, I will not argue.

Kubur · 3rd March 2019, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ariel

My attribution of the scabbard to Ottoman Empire stems purely from the wire stitching.

Incorrect you have also wire stitching in the Persian empire

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Originally Posted by ariel

If we assume that the handle ( likely the most recent component) is N. Iraqi,

Incorrect the handle is North Iran where you have also Kurdish people

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even Sunni had nothing against the color of Muhammed’s Banner.

Correct

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I might be wrong, but at least I have some potentially supportive arguments. If anybody points out to their lack of validity, I will not argue.

Please look at catalogues, museums and even on the web, you will see that you are wrong.
And there is nothing bad about it, i do mistakes every single day. But i learn.

ariel · 3rd March 2019, 05:03 AM

Ready to learn: can you show examples?

Kubur · 3rd March 2019, 10:07 AM

My pleasure
But you have a lot of books, just look in Khorasani you'll find some too.

ariel · 3rd March 2019, 11:58 AM

You might be right: 100% or predominantly Persian.

William Fox · 3rd March 2019, 01:34 PM

Very similar

eftihis · 5th March 2019, 03:04 PM

I have heard that the green colour in the leather scabbards (which is often the colour on the leather of the scabbards of cretan knifes) is due to its treatment (tanning) inside a liquid consisting of water and trims of bronze. These trims oxidise and give this green colour, which helps in the preservation of leather. I dont know if thiw explanation is valid.

3rd March 2019, 10:07 AM	#4
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	My pleasure But you have a lot of books, just look in Khorasani you'll find some too. Attached Images

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William Fox Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Great Britain Posts: 24	Very similar Attached Images

3rd March 2019, 01:12 AM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	My attribution of the scabbard to Ottoman Empire stems purely from the wire stitching. If we assume that the handle ( likely the most recent component) is N. Iraqi, that area till the end of WWI belonged to the Ottomans. Persian blades were sold all over. Iraq has large Shia populations, and even Sunni had nothing against the color of Muhammed’s Banner. All these assumptions are exactly that and no more. I might be wrong, but at least I have some potentially supportive arguments. If anybody points out to their lack of validity, I will not argue.

3rd March 2019, 05:03 AM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Ready to learn: can you show examples?

3rd March 2019, 11:58 AM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	You might be right: 100% or predominantly Persian.

5th March 2019, 03:04 PM	#7
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 511	I have heard that the green colour in the leather scabbards (which is often the colour on the leather of the scabbards of cretan knifes) is due to its treatment (tanning) inside a liquid consisting of water and trims of bronze. These trims oxidise and give this green colour, which helps in the preservation of leather. I dont know if thiw explanation is valid.