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Old 12th February 2019, 11:03 PM   #1
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Old 13th February 2019, 12:57 AM   #2
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Those dotted lines on the handle; Hippo tooth?
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Old 13th February 2019, 06:18 AM   #3
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Yup!

And I beat Mr. Hippo Ivory to it...

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Old 13th February 2019, 06:21 AM   #4
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And I beat Mr. Hippo Ivory to it...

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Old 13th February 2019, 09:59 AM   #5
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And I beat Mr. Hippo Ivory to it...

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So is this a good thing? In so far as is Hippo Ivory any more or less desirable in a Keris hilt (or any collectable item for that matter) than elephant tusk or whale tooth ivory? And how would it have found its way to the region?
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Old 13th February 2019, 11:00 AM   #6
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So is this a good thing? In so far as is Hippo Ivory any more or less desirable in a Keris hilt (or any collectable item for that matter) than elephant tusk or whale tooth ivory? And how would it have found its way to the region?
Not really much of any difference, IMHO - quality of carving and condition being much more important nowadays.

In the Malay world, hippo has a reputation for staying white longer than the other ivories. It also is a tiny bit harder material, on average.

It's certainly the Arab merchants whose network connected Africa with Asia. We also see walrus and extinct mammoth ivory being utilized throughout Asia - maritime (as well as overland) trade has been the main player in connecting cultures for millennia...

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Old 13th February 2019, 05:27 PM   #7
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Hello Greg,

The good thing by this is that when you want to sell it one day that there are no CITES prohibition on it by international trade!

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The good thing by this is that when you want to sell it one day that there are no CITES prohibition on it by international trade!
This could change soon.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8431751.html

https://conservationaction.co.za/rec...kets-tanzania/
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Whoa, hold your horses!

Hippo sure is regulated: The common Hippo, Hippopotamus amphibius Linnaeus, 1758, is listed in Appendix II of the CITES convention. And some populations are even under stricter control.

While antiques *should* be exempt, the truth is you have to follow international and local legislation & regulations to the letter...

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Old 13th February 2019, 08:07 PM   #10
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Whoa, hold your horses!

Hippo sure is regulated: The common Hippo, Hippopotamus amphibius Linnaeus, 1758, is listed in Appendix II of the CITES convention. And some populations are even under stricter control.

While antiques *should* be exempt, the truth is you have to follow international and local legislation & regulations to the letter...
Kai, i am not saying there is no regulation, but AFAIK currently it is completely legal to buy and trade in hippo ivory in the USA. I am not sure about other countries, but it is openly sold at online websites. A simple google search of Hippo tusk for sale will give you numerous websites that sell it.
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Whoa, hold your horses!

Hippo sure is regulated: The common Hippo, Hippopotamus amphibius Linnaeus, 1758, is listed in Appendix II of the CITES convention. And some populations are even under stricter control.

While antiques *should* be exempt, the truth is you have to follow international and local legislation & regulations to the letter...
After search I have to agree but like David told I was aware about some sites where you can buy legal hippo ivory!?
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Old 13th February 2019, 05:35 PM   #12
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And I beat Mr. Hippo Ivory to it...

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Yep! New photos reveal new information. Good original call on that one Kai. Though i suspect you were just plan lucky this time. LOL!
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Old 13th February 2019, 05:44 PM   #13
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Good original call on that one Kai. Though i suspect you were just plan lucky this time. LOL!
Have a close look at the close-up in post #1...

I wasn't positive though.

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