Persian percussion gun repair.

kahnjar1 · 7th February 2019, 07:35 AM

This Sind also has a spliced stock, but only one splice, and never glued by the look of it.Simply held by the bands.
Stu

Pukka Bundook · 7th February 2019, 02:53 PM

Yes, spliced stocks not glued seems very common in Eastern arms.
The only concern is that they don't come apart with recoil, so have to be banded pretty tightly.
Some very nice arms in this thread!

All the best,
Richard.

rickystl · 9th February 2019, 03:55 PM

Hi Gusko

That is an interesting gun. To me, this one has an Afghan build quality to it. But with a Persian/Caucasian styled butt stock. That iron reinforcing strap around the butt is similar to many Caucasian rifles, but styled a bit different.
The lock plate itself is very similar to the percussion plates on Sindh guns, but with the hammer more crudely made. The trigger guard and barrel bands also have an Afghan look to them. Again, a very interesting piece.

Both my Caucasian and Sindh guns also have this spliced stock. It does seem to be a rather common stock feature with many of these guns. Although every Ottoman stock I've seen has been one piece.

Another feature I've noticed on Sindh guns are the sling swivels. Instead of two single swivels, there are two pairs (4) as shown above. Every Sindh gun I can recall seeing has this feature. Although mine has the twin swivels on the rear, and a fancy knotted leather fastening on the fore stock.

Rick

DaleH · 12th February 2019, 04:42 PM

Very curious as to WHY the spliced stocks? Looking at the wide butt on the last one posted, it appears not to be wood source related. If you recall, Japanese arms are routinely spiced in the wide butt as their native sourced woods were not plentiful enough to field all the 1,000s of full-size butt stocks needed. So they economized; makes sense.

And as Dave points out, any part of the forend is just be carried along with the barrel. So if not a ‘wood source/length’ reason, perhaps it was done just to economize on the wood they did have available?

FYI, of the 2 Eastern arms I have, both have spliced forends, but one appears free of any animal/hide glue, where the other clearly separated (due to age).

7th February 2019, 07:35 AM	#1
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,789	Another Sind with spliced stock This Sind also has a spliced stock, but only one splice, and never glued by the look of it.Simply held by the bands. Stu Attached Images

7th February 2019, 02:53 PM	#2
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Yes, spliced stocks not glued seems very common in Eastern arms. The only concern is that they don't come apart with recoil, so have to be banded pretty tightly. Some very nice arms in this thread! All the best, Richard.

9th February 2019, 03:55 PM	#3
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,632	Hi Gusko That is an interesting gun. To me, this one has an Afghan build quality to it. But with a Persian/Caucasian styled butt stock. That iron reinforcing strap around the butt is similar to many Caucasian rifles, but styled a bit different. The lock plate itself is very similar to the percussion plates on Sindh guns, but with the hammer more crudely made. The trigger guard and barrel bands also have an Afghan look to them. Again, a very interesting piece. Both my Caucasian and Sindh guns also have this spliced stock. It does seem to be a rather common stock feature with many of these guns. Although every Ottoman stock I've seen has been one piece. Another feature I've noticed on Sindh guns are the sling swivels. Instead of two single swivels, there are two pairs (4) as shown above. Every Sindh gun I can recall seeing has this feature. Although mine has the twin swivels on the rear, and a fancy knotted leather fastening on the fore stock. Rick

12th February 2019, 04:42 PM	#4
DaleH Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: near Boston - USA Posts: 12	Very curious as to WHY the spliced stocks? Looking at the wide butt on the last one posted, it appears not to be wood source related. If you recall, Japanese arms are routinely spiced in the wide butt as their native sourced woods were not plentiful enough to field all the 1,000s of full-size butt stocks needed. So they economized; makes sense. And as Dave points out, any part of the forend is just be carried along with the barrel. So if not a ‘wood source/length’ reason, perhaps it was done just to economize on the wood they did have available? FYI, of the 2 Eastern arms I have, both have spliced forends, but one appears free of any animal/hide glue, where the other clearly separated (due to age).