A beautiful 17th century hanger

Norman McCormick · 30th January 2019, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by M ELEY

Norm, you are a life saver! This was the thread that I was speaking of, with comments by Jim McD. and Dmitry.

Mark you are very welcome

My Regards,
Norman.

M ELEY · 31st January 2019, 06:27 AM

Stumbled on this by complete accident. A relic from the Queen Anne's Revenge! Unfortunately, the pommel with the possible faces of William and Mary aren't displayed, just the guard. We do have the description, though, as well as another sword referenced in the Williamsburg collection.

https://www.qaronline.org/conservati...bladed-weapons

M ELEY · Yesterday, 06:21 PM

Revisiting this old thread with one possibility for the 'missing crown'. Just to add clarity to anyone coming in now on this thread, this hanger is 100% made for the English market and dates to 1690-1710 period based on style, construction and the historical record. During this time period, there were many articles made with the cameos of King William and Queen Mary. Items in the colonial Williamsburg museum collection reflect this, as does the sword I mentioned retrieved from the QAR shipwreck. I have seen references of swords with these likenesses, but unfortunately never seen actual pictures of them.

So...if these depictions truly are of William and Mary, why doesn't the profile of Mary bare a crown? One more possibility I came up with and seems to make sense is that Mary died in 1694. William continued to reign until his own death in 1702. I think it is therefore possible that this sword guard could have been cast after Mary's death, showing the living ruler's face in profile wearing the crown of England.

31st January 2019, 06:27 AM	#2
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,206	Remains of sword hilt Stumbled on this by complete accident. A relic from the Queen Anne's Revenge! Unfortunately, the pommel with the possible faces of William and Mary aren't displayed, just the guard. We do have the description, though, as well as another sword referenced in the Williamsburg collection. https://www.qaronline.org/conservati...bladed-weapons

Yesterday, 06:21 PM	#3
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,206	Revisiting this old thread with one possibility for the 'missing crown'. Just to add clarity to anyone coming in now on this thread, this hanger is 100% made for the English market and dates to 1690-1710 period based on style, construction and the historical record. During this time period, there were many articles made with the cameos of King William and Queen Mary. Items in the colonial Williamsburg museum collection reflect this, as does the sword I mentioned retrieved from the QAR shipwreck. I have seen references of swords with these likenesses, but unfortunately never seen actual pictures of them. So...if these depictions truly are of William and Mary, why doesn't the profile of Mary bare a crown? One more possibility I came up with and seems to make sense is that Mary died in 1694. William continued to reign until his own death in 1702. I think it is therefore possible that this sword guard could have been cast after Mary's death, showing the living ruler's face in profile wearing the crown of England.