Execution keris panjang ? Age ??

[Jean]

Originally Posted by francantolin

Hello Jean,

Really thank you for the informations especially about rustic sampir ( I thought it was called wrangka too ) and hilt,
do you think that this kind of rustic model was used for executions too ?
or more fighting/hunting small sword ?

Do you think the blade is ok like that or can I clean it ( with what ?)
for see a better pattern.
The corrodated-endommaged blade won't like an acid treatment isn'it ?!
( Maybe it received too much acid bath before !?)


Kind regards

Hello Francantolin,
Yes, the top of the scabbard is also called warangka or gambar, but the name sampir is more usual in Sumatra or Sulawesi.
These krisses were more often used as a sign of status or for ceremonies than for executions.
The sampir and hilt of your kris are really unusual and may originate from East Java?
You can clean the blade by soaking it in a bath of undiluted vinegar (7 to 10% acetic acid, cover the container) or 10% citric acid (weak acid) for about 24 -36 hours with regular brushings with an iron pad impregnated with CIF for removing the rust (this is what I did on my blade). After carefully rinsing and drying the blade, it should be immediately treated with WD40 or Ballistoil oil for avoiding further rusting.
These blades have usually no apparent pamor pattern but this treatment should remove the rust and improve the aspect of your blade.
Regards

[francantolin]

THANK YOU !!!
If I try I'll sure post some pictures !

Kind regards/ have a nice weekend

[David]

Originally Posted by Jean

The sampir and hilt of your kris are really unusual and may originate from East Java?

Hey Jean, since this "sampir" seems to originate in East Jawa, why not call it a wrongko?
Francantolin, i basically concur with what Jean has told you. Personally i'm not generally a fan of referring to these keris panjang as "execution keris". This is not to say that these keris were never used as such, but, as Jean has pointed out, these are status keris. They were not designed specifically to execute. I believe this idea has developed because firstly these blades are longer than the usually keris and seem like they would be more effective for the method of execution that has been described where the keris is inserted from above at the top of the shoulder and driven downward into the heart and secondly (perhaps) because those who hold the status to carry such blades might also have the power to decree executions.

[Jean]

Originally Posted by David

Hey Jean, since this "sampir" seems to originate in East Jawa, why not call it a wrongko?

Well, I am not definitely sure that the scabbard & hilt of this kris originate from East Java, it could be a local Sumatran style or just the imagination of the maker, and other opinions are welcome.

[David]

Well, i was willing to accept somewhere in Jawa, but i've been wrong before.

[francantolin]

Hello,
Thank you David and Jean !!
Here other pictures of the ''special'' sampir

Kind regards

[David]

Well, it's kind of a wonky fit, but i'm not convinced that necessarily means that it wasn't actually made for this blade since it is obviously work done by a non-professional carver.

[Jean]

I agree and the hilt seems to have been made by the same "master carver"