Turkish sword , good stuff ?

ariel · 6th November 2018, 10:14 PM

I do not think it is welding: one cannot weld anything to the cowhorn.
Modern adhesives ? Epoxy?

Battara · 7th November 2018, 12:43 AM

From what I can tell I agree with Ariel - epoxy and the cross guard is made of bronze.

Martin Lubojacky · 7th November 2018, 06:10 AM

I am not expert in "Turkish" weapons, nevertheless my view is, that you have nice kilij - from the category of "ordinary or normal kilijis" (very nice blade, nice handle, normal - maybe beg. of 20th century crossguard and maybe not the original one - I think made of brass, and it is always a pity that the scabbard is missing). Such miserable "repairs" (made quickly just to sell the sword asap) could be repaired, the sword needs restoreation. I think it is not from 18 century. My guess would be 19 century.

francantolin · 7th November 2018, 06:35 AM

Hello and thank you all for your really precious comments !

I was thinking of welding because this stuff is dropped too on the brass side of the hilt maybe to seal everything together...
but it must be epoxy.
Bad work

...

Thank you and Kind regards !!!

MichaelZWilliamson · 7th November 2018, 07:36 AM

Specifically, that appears to be JB Weld. I HATE JB Weld for reasons like this. Whoever did the repair meant well, but used the worst stuff possible.

You can see some here where someone attempted to repair worm damage to a percussion rifle.

It's very difficult to remove.

ariel · 7th November 2018, 09:57 AM

The only way to remove epoxy is to use Dremel. From time to time I see silver Ottoman crossguards on eBay. But yours has langets that fit the slots on the handle, and a new one will likely not. Stay with what you have.
For a complete restoration you will also need to find or fashion new tear-drop eyelets on the pommel. Much more difficult to accomplish than buying a Dremel tool .
Or just make peace with kisses of time.

Kubur · 7th November 2018, 10:16 AM

This sword is perfect, just remove the bad epoxy repair.
The cross guard is original to me, many Turkish swords have brass cross guards.
Good catch

7th November 2018, 06:35 AM	#4
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 905	Hello and thank you all for your really precious comments ! I was thinking of welding because this stuff is dropped too on the brass side of the hilt maybe to seal everything together... but it must be epoxy. Bad work ... Thank you and Kind regards !!! Attached Images

6th November 2018, 10:14 PM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I do not think it is welding: one cannot weld anything to the cowhorn. Modern adhesives ? Epoxy?

7th November 2018, 12:43 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	From what I can tell I agree with Ariel - epoxy and the cross guard is made of bronze.

7th November 2018, 06:10 AM	#3
Martin Lubojacky Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 843	I am not expert in "Turkish" weapons, nevertheless my view is, that you have nice kilij - from the category of "ordinary or normal kilijis" (very nice blade, nice handle, normal - maybe beg. of 20th century crossguard and maybe not the original one - I think made of brass, and it is always a pity that the scabbard is missing). Such miserable "repairs" (made quickly just to sell the sword asap) could be repaired, the sword needs restoreation. I think it is not from 18 century. My guess would be 19 century.

7th November 2018, 07:36 AM	#5
MichaelZWilliamson Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 50	Specifically, that appears to be JB Weld. I HATE JB Weld for reasons like this. Whoever did the repair meant well, but used the worst stuff possible. You can see some here where someone attempted to repair worm damage to a percussion rifle. It's very difficult to remove.

7th November 2018, 09:57 AM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	The only way to remove epoxy is to use Dremel. From time to time I see silver Ottoman crossguards on eBay. But yours has langets that fit the slots on the handle, and a new one will likely not. Stay with what you have. For a complete restoration you will also need to find or fashion new tear-drop eyelets on the pommel. Much more difficult to accomplish than buying a Dremel tool . Or just make peace with kisses of time.

7th November 2018, 10:16 AM	#7
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	This sword is perfect, just remove the bad epoxy repair. The cross guard is original to me, many Turkish swords have brass cross guards. Good catch