Bone Handled Dagger?

kronckew · 8th April 2006, 09:02 AM

thanks for all the comments, nice to see some discussion....

koummya blades i've seen have the major edge on the inside of the curve, false edge on outside, and very different grips.

kirpan have a similar shape, so i could accept this is an indian copy.

especially if it's good enough to have jim think it was a good example of a federal dirk. i do not have access to the ref. mtls. he listed....

if it is a replica, good thing i only paid a tenner for it. the one in the link ref. i found which looks like it, nut & all, is going for almost $200 & i don't like it as much.

Jens Nordlunde · 8th April 2006, 10:16 AM

Here is something more about the kirpan subject.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=Kirpan
and here is another.
http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002512.html on the old forum there are a few more - just search.

kronckew · 8th April 2006, 10:29 AM

found this link

still like it tho for the ten pounds i paid ($15), won't feel so bad sharpening it knowing its a repro. glad someone did not bid a large amt. for it. (i wouldn't have bid much more anyway - i'm too new at this game to risk large bids)

Ian · 8th April 2006, 02:03 PM

Lew is absolutely correct about these being from India. They are in the same general class of reproductions as the ones with mosaic MOP and brass inlay on the hilts (see example below). Some are intended for use by Sikhs as kirpan, but many are intended as items to sell as souvenirs to Westerners, etc.

The "Pure Steel" inscription is probably the most common marking on these reproductions.

I've picked up a few of these inexpensively. Some are quite attractive and reasonably well made, although most of the blades would not stand up to much use. Some of the blades have been electroplated.

Ian.

RobT · 8th April 2006, 05:18 PM

Hi all,
Here's my version. It has a sort of tiger's tooth pommel. That, along with the mop on the hilt, makes an Indian origin for the piece pretty certain. The blade says "pure steel" on one side and "victory" on the other. There is a floral design on both sides of the blade. Both the designs and the writing appear to be acid etched. At the hilt, the blade spine measures a tad over 3/16" (about 8mm). All in all the piece seems carefully wrought and sturdy. Could it be the the blades themselves were actually English made for export while the fittings were added by local craftsmen? Thanks for all the sheath photos. My sheath is missing its drag (and some leather at the tip) but now I know what the drag looks like so perhaps I can make a replacement. By the way, I've seen these things with asking prices of well over $100. I wonder if dealers are getting that kind of money from the unwary.
Sincerely,
RobT

Tim Simmons · 8th April 2006, 05:18 PM

I think this could also reflect on the dirk that N2S has recently shown us

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Jim McDougall · 10th April 2006, 03:57 AM

So Lew.....uh, how much for the bridge?

oops!
Best,
Jim

8th April 2006, 02:03 PM	#4
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,399	Indian reproduction Lew is absolutely correct about these being from India. They are in the same general class of reproductions as the ones with mosaic MOP and brass inlay on the hilts (see example below). Some are intended for use by Sikhs as kirpan, but many are intended as items to sell as souvenirs to Westerners, etc. The "Pure Steel" inscription is probably the most common marking on these reproductions. I've picked up a few of these inexpensively. Some are quite attractive and reasonably well made, although most of the blades would not stand up to much use. Some of the blades have been electroplated. Ian.

8th April 2006, 05:18 PM	#5
RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 551	Tiger Tooth Pommel Hi all, Here's my version. It has a sort of tiger's tooth pommel. That, along with the mop on the hilt, makes an Indian origin for the piece pretty certain. The blade says "pure steel" on one side and "victory" on the other. There is a floral design on both sides of the blade. Both the designs and the writing appear to be acid etched. At the hilt, the blade spine measures a tad over 3/16" (about 8mm). All in all the piece seems carefully wrought and sturdy. Could it be the the blades themselves were actually English made for export while the fittings were added by local craftsmen? Thanks for all the sheath photos. My sheath is missing its drag (and some leather at the tip) but now I know what the drag looks like so perhaps I can make a replacement. By the way, I've seen these things with asking prices of well over $100. I wonder if dealers are getting that kind of money from the unwary. Sincerely, RobT Attached Images

8th April 2006, 09:02 AM	#1
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,227	thanks for all the comments, nice to see some discussion.... koummya blades i've seen have the major edge on the inside of the curve, false edge on outside, and very different grips. kirpan have a similar shape, so i could accept this is an indian copy. especially if it's good enough to have jim think it was a good example of a federal dirk. i do not have access to the ref. mtls. he listed.... if it is a replica, good thing i only paid a tenner for it. the one in the link ref. i found which looks like it, nut & all, is going for almost $200 & i don't like it as much.

8th April 2006, 10:16 AM	#2
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Here is something more about the kirpan subject. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=Kirpan and here is another. http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002512.html on the old forum there are a few more - just search.

8th April 2006, 10:29 AM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,227	found this link still like it tho for the ten pounds i paid ($15), won't feel so bad sharpening it knowing its a repro. glad someone did not bid a large amt. for it. (i wouldn't have bid much more anyway - i'm too new at this game to risk large bids)

8th April 2006, 05:18 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	I think this could also reflect on the dirk that N2S has recently shown us .

10th April 2006, 03:57 AM	#7
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,295	So Lew.....uh, how much for the bridge? oops! Best, Jim