A very short Pedang Lurus

CharlesS · 2nd October 2018, 11:58 PM

I agree with Detlef in that I think the blade was once shortened. The spine's angle seems at the wrong place as it is...too close to the middle of the blade. Typically when I see a scabbard much longer than the blade I either assume that the blade was shortened at some point in its life, or the two were not "born together".

Still, a very nice example!

kai · 4th October 2018, 06:34 PM

Hello Leif,

I don't think this blade has been shortened noticeably: the base looks ok and either a longer base or a longer tip would preclude putting the blade into any traditional scabbard.

As Detlef mentioned, these come in many different shapes and sizes; especially the smaller blades can vary quite a bit! Usually the scabbards approximate blade length though.

Any hints that the silver of the hilt is different from that of the scabbard and cross-piece? If so, it may have got refitted at some point to make it look like a pedang tusuk of regular size. Of course, this might have been the intention from the very start as well...

Regards,
Kai

Rafngard · 5th October 2018, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by kai

Any hints that the silver of the hilt is different from that of the scabbard and cross-piece?

Hello Kai,

The hilt goes seem to be constructed differently from the sheath. I'm not sure about the crossguard, but it is a bit loose.

Thanks,
Leif

satsujinken · 5th April 2019, 11:27 AM

I disagree as this type got somewhat downward tip, this one is commonly called pedang suduk maru "maru-stabbing-sword"

I owned several specimen of this sword. Basic characteristic is the half-front sharp upper part. Pedang lurus is another type with straight blade and sharp on both side down to the very bottom (I also owned a specimen of this type), so much that European mistakenly called this type of sword as Javanese epee

this type of sword (suduk maru) got a very long history, as it was evolved from longer and broader form of ancient Hindu sword - I will post some pics of it in near future

regards
Donny

2nd October 2018, 11:58 PM	#1
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	I agree with Detlef in that I think the blade was once shortened. The spine's angle seems at the wrong place as it is...too close to the middle of the blade. Typically when I see a scabbard much longer than the blade I either assume that the blade was shortened at some point in its life, or the two were not "born together". Still, a very nice example!

4th October 2018, 06:34 PM	#2
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Leif, I don't think this blade has been shortened noticeably: the base looks ok and either a longer base or a longer tip would preclude putting the blade into any traditional scabbard. As Detlef mentioned, these come in many different shapes and sizes; especially the smaller blades can vary quite a bit! Usually the scabbards approximate blade length though. Any hints that the silver of the hilt is different from that of the scabbard and cross-piece? If so, it may have got refitted at some point to make it look like a pedang tusuk of regular size. Of course, this might have been the intention from the very start as well... Regards, Kai

5th April 2019, 11:27 AM	#4
satsujinken Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Surabaya - Indonesia Posts: 199	I disagree as this type got somewhat downward tip, this one is commonly called pedang suduk maru "maru-stabbing-sword" I owned several specimen of this sword. Basic characteristic is the half-front sharp upper part. Pedang lurus is another type with straight blade and sharp on both side down to the very bottom (I also owned a specimen of this type), so much that European mistakenly called this type of sword as Javanese epee this type of sword (suduk maru) got a very long history, as it was evolved from longer and broader form of ancient Hindu sword - I will post some pics of it in near future regards Donny